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No, not being an ass until you mentioned not being an ass, lol. I thought that was funny, forgive me.cblock4life said:
Not being an ass but I wouldn’t have said whites are afraid of blacks if she wasn’t white.tempo_n_groove said:
Or she knew her neighbor was away and thought it odd that someone was over there?cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
Was the person that called even white? Was that proven?
For ID purposes. A cop is allowed to detain you until you are recognized or provide ID. There are some gray areas with that too though.She came out of her house, not immediately, and said “I think this was my fault”. Well yes it was. Take your ass outside and approach the gentleman and she would have seen he lived right across the street and the pastor at a local church. Let’s not forget he had every right to refuse and as someone else stated was knowledgeable about the law and his rights.
It's why I asked the question. I didn't see where it was mentioned.
If I see someone poking around that looks out of place I confront them, not everyone is that brazen to do it though and I get that. Some people just call the cops and let them deal with the process.
In hindsight the pastor is in the right but no one knew that prior. You may not have to produce ID but it sure does make mountains out of molehills when you don't.0 -
Why didn't the coach of Duke ask to have these people removed? If he did ask and the BYU staff did nothing then that is something even more egregious.cblock4life said:https://www.npr.org/2022/08/28/1119848113/byu-duke-volleyball-racism-fan-bannedAnother major religion/institution. All in the name of God.I can’t wait till whites become the minority0 -
I agree, and hopefully someday black individuals won’t automatically assume it’s racial profiling but in todays atmosphere people and police need to understand why it’s so offensive right away.tempo_n_groove said:
No, not being an ass until you mentioned not being an ass, lol. I thought that was funny, forgive me.cblock4life said:
Not being an ass but I wouldn’t have said whites are afraid of blacks if she wasn’t white.tempo_n_groove said:
Or she knew her neighbor was away and thought it odd that someone was over there?cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
Was the person that called even white? Was that proven?
For ID purposes. A cop is allowed to detain you until you are recognized or provide ID. There are some gray areas with that too though.She came out of her house, not immediately, and said “I think this was my fault”. Well yes it was. Take your ass outside and approach the gentleman and she would have seen he lived right across the street and the pastor at a local church. Let’s not forget he had every right to refuse and as someone else stated was knowledgeable about the law and his rights.
It's why I asked the question. I didn't see where it was mentioned.
If I see someone poking around that looks out of place I confront them, not everyone is that brazen to do it though and I get that. Some people just call the cops and let them deal with the process.
In hindsight the pastor is in the right but no one knew that prior. You may not have to produce ID but it sure does make mountains out of molehills when you don't.0 -
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While it is good to know the law I see this as poklng the bear. We should be vigilant against police abuse but not try and provoke it because we "know our rights".mickeyrat said:goes to this incident.white minor.....
I believe the kid isn't a minor after the cop checks his ID.0 -
Any cop should be immediately fired for that, no question.mickeyrat said:goes to this incident.white minor.....
with the strength of police unions it won’t happen
a cop needs to be able to deal with the public no matter if they are polite or not
temporarily switching off a body cam should also result in termination. Tax payers bought them for a reason, at a minimum it’s misusing tax payer dollars. Plus it opens the city up to a lawsuit who ultimately employs them
the individual is being a jerk, the cop in return is being a bully with a badge and a gun. We are allowing police to get away with engaging with people who are trying to get a rise out of them. That’s 3rd grade behaviour from both, we should expect more from a cop
I teach my 9 year old to walk away. That cop needs to go back to elementary schoolPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the meanswww.myspace.com0 -
I agree. Respond to the call because you have to. Pull up, assess the situation. Wave at the guy and leave.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
if the guy was a criminal a cop pulling up would make him run. Then that guy would be gone. Still not an offence that would result in an arrest, but crime preventedPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
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I would think that makes a world of difference. This was a guy watering flowers probably around noon, as it was after Church. He wasn't attempting to break into the house. I think that makes a huge difference as opposed to spotting someone at the house in the middle of the night.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
What kind of burglar makes a big show of watering flowers so everyone can see him, before breaking into the place? Makes no sense. If the police utilized a little bit of common sense, the whole thing would have been averted.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
That’s not how the constitution works though. You might want to confirm who someone is, that doesn’t mean it’s allowed based on circumstances.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
besides him standing there, you need probable cause a crime is being committed. What specific crime are we talking about and what probable cause?
Suspicion doesn’t rise to that level
cops ask for information all the time. You can choose to give it to them or not. That’s perfectly ok. “Sir, mind if I search your car?” That’s fine, but I can say no. Then he needs to get a judge to sign a warrant in most cases which requires giving some reasonable evidence it’s justified. Asking for id isn’t a search, demanding it is a search and there is a different standard
your first sentence is a problem “who MIGHT not have” that’s speculative it’s different than someone “who DOES not have” the property owners best interests in mind. That gives way,way too much power to the police and government
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These were pretty much my thoughts. I don't know the motives of the neighbor or if there is a history there. But everyone seems to be willing to just jump to the conclusion she was profiling if not racist. And maybe she is, but I can't tell that from what I saw.tempo_n_groove said:
No, not being an ass until you mentioned not being an ass, lol. I thought that was funny, forgive me.cblock4life said:
Not being an ass but I wouldn’t have said whites are afraid of blacks if she wasn’t white.tempo_n_groove said:
Or she knew her neighbor was away and thought it odd that someone was over there?cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
Was the person that called even white? Was that proven?
For ID purposes. A cop is allowed to detain you until you are recognized or provide ID. There are some gray areas with that too though.She came out of her house, not immediately, and said “I think this was my fault”. Well yes it was. Take your ass outside and approach the gentleman and she would have seen he lived right across the street and the pastor at a local church. Let’s not forget he had every right to refuse and as someone else stated was knowledgeable about the law and his rights.
It's why I asked the question. I didn't see where it was mentioned.
If I see someone poking around that looks out of place I confront them, not everyone is that brazen to do it though and I get that. Some people just call the cops and let them deal with the process.
In hindsight the pastor is in the right but no one knew that prior. You may not have to produce ID but it sure does make mountains out of molehills when you don't.
We live in this roller coaster world of if you see something, say something. But when you do, you're racist. I wouldn't ask a woman to confront a man who she believes is acting suspicious. Maybe he couldn't find the hose and was snooping around. An innocent act but could look suspicious to a neighbor. I wouldn't tell a female neighbor to confront a suspicious man, so I don't know why so many are acting like that would be the normal thing to do.
And maybe she did over react, maybe if she just observed for a few more seconds she would have realized he was just there to water. I don't know.
She saw someone out of place and called the cops. He could have ended this very quickly and chose not to. The only question here for me is what exactly did the cops do when they detained him and was it lawful? I've seen some pretty fluid definitions of an arrest, so not sure what that would have entailed in this case and if any rights were violated in confirming his identity. That would be my only question.
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"He could have ended it very quickly and chose not to."
They dropped the charges! They admitted they were in the wrong, basically. He did not have to supply them with his ID. After all this discussion and reading about the story, how one can still put the blame on the guy who was just watering his neighbor's flowers is beyond me.www.myspace.com0 -
the kind of burglar that realizes someone has seen him?The Juggler said:
I would think that makes a world of difference. This was a guy watering flowers probably around noon, as it was after Church. He wasn't attempting to break into the house. I think that makes a huge difference as opposed to spotting someone at the house in the middle of the night.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
What kind of burglar makes a big show of watering flowers so everyone can see him, before breaking into the place? Makes no sense. If the police utilized a little bit of common sense, the whole thing would have been averted.
Maybe I'm too submissive to the cops but I would have shown my ID and made it a 2 minute transaction.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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mace1229 said:
These were pretty much my thoughts. I don't know the motives of the neighbor or if there is a history there. But everyone seems to be willing to just jump to the conclusion she was profiling if not racist. And maybe she is, but I can't tell that from what I saw.tempo_n_groove said:
No, not being an ass until you mentioned not being an ass, lol. I thought that was funny, forgive me.cblock4life said:
Not being an ass but I wouldn’t have said whites are afraid of blacks if she wasn’t white.tempo_n_groove said:
Or she knew her neighbor was away and thought it odd that someone was over there?cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
Was the person that called even white? Was that proven?
For ID purposes. A cop is allowed to detain you until you are recognized or provide ID. There are some gray areas with that too though.She came out of her house, not immediately, and said “I think this was my fault”. Well yes it was. Take your ass outside and approach the gentleman and she would have seen he lived right across the street and the pastor at a local church. Let’s not forget he had every right to refuse and as someone else stated was knowledgeable about the law and his rights.
It's why I asked the question. I didn't see where it was mentioned.
If I see someone poking around that looks out of place I confront them, not everyone is that brazen to do it though and I get that. Some people just call the cops and let them deal with the process.
In hindsight the pastor is in the right but no one knew that prior. You may not have to produce ID but it sure does make mountains out of molehills when you don't.
We live in this roller coaster world of if you see something, say something. But when you do, you're racist. I wouldn't ask a woman to confront a man who she believes is acting suspicious. Maybe he couldn't find the hose and was snooping around. An innocent act but could look suspicious to a neighbor. I wouldn't tell a female neighbor to confront a suspicious man, so I don't know why so many are acting like that would be the normal thing to do.
And maybe she did over react, maybe if she just observed for a few more seconds she would have realized he was just there to water. I don't know.
She saw someone out of place and called the cops. He could have ended this very quickly and chose not to. The only question here for me is what exactly did the cops do when they detained him and was it lawful? I've seen some pretty fluid definitions of an arrest, so not sure what that would have entailed in this case and if any rights were violated in confirming his identity. That would be my only question.she absolutely called the cops because he was black I don’t think that’s even debatable. Her first assumption if he was white would not have been “criminal”. Having that thought doesn’t make you a bad person though. Not working on it does, so I hope she does.Not being able to admit we all have prejudice is a problem. It’s human nature for one thing to be suspicious of people not in our group. All this pretending we are in a post racial world borders on the absurdIn what world is watering flowers suspicious, If you take race out of the equation? It’s not
try for just a second to see the situation from the perspective of the guy watering the flowers rather than looking at it from the police, and the white neighbours perspective. Everyone is getting the benefit of the doubt except the person who’s rights were in fact violated. You have blamed him several times for not doing something he didn’t have to doPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
I don't man. That seems really far fetched for me to believe. Far more likely the guy would flee as opposed to cartoonishly waiting for the police. lol.Gern Blansten said:
the kind of burglar that realizes someone has seen him?The Juggler said:
I would think that makes a world of difference. This was a guy watering flowers probably around noon, as it was after Church. He wasn't attempting to break into the house. I think that makes a huge difference as opposed to spotting someone at the house in the middle of the night.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
What kind of burglar makes a big show of watering flowers so everyone can see him, before breaking into the place? Makes no sense. If the police utilized a little bit of common sense, the whole thing would have been averted.
Maybe I'm too submissive to the cops but I would have shown my ID and made it a 2 minute transaction.
I think your second sentence is more pertinent to general meaning of this thread and has been discussed ad nauseam.www.myspace.com0 -
I guess I’m too submissive too.Gern Blansten said:
the kind of burglar that realizes someone has seen him?The Juggler said:
I would think that makes a world of difference. This was a guy watering flowers probably around noon, as it was after Church. He wasn't attempting to break into the house. I think that makes a huge difference as opposed to spotting someone at the house in the middle of the night.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
What kind of burglar makes a big show of watering flowers so everyone can see him, before breaking into the place? Makes no sense. If the police utilized a little bit of common sense, the whole thing would have been averted.
Maybe I'm too submissive to the cops but I would have shown my ID and made it a 2 minute transaction.0 -
That’s kind of why it’s a racial issue. Expecting a black person to be submissive is kind of a problem, historically speaking. Having to submit for no legal reason can be a much bigger deal since it never really endednicknyr15 said:
I guess I’m too submissive too.Gern Blansten said:
the kind of burglar that realizes someone has seen him?The Juggler said:
I would think that makes a world of difference. This was a guy watering flowers probably around noon, as it was after Church. He wasn't attempting to break into the house. I think that makes a huge difference as opposed to spotting someone at the house in the middle of the night.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
What kind of burglar makes a big show of watering flowers so everyone can see him, before breaking into the place? Makes no sense. If the police utilized a little bit of common sense, the whole thing would have been averted.
Maybe I'm too submissive to the cops but I would have shown my ID and made it a 2 minute transaction.As a white person I can never understand besides knowing It’s apples and oranges
looking at the same situation through two different lenses doesn’t mean it is the same. White people also overwhelmingly believe the police are on their side, not out to get them.Comply and submit even when it’s not a lawful request means very different things to different groupsPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Not if he knows the law though right? He doesn't have to show an ID....he's not doing anything wrong.The Juggler said:
I don't man. That seems really far fetched for me to believe. Far more likely the guy would flee as opposed to cartoonishly waiting for the police. lol.Gern Blansten said:
the kind of burglar that realizes someone has seen him?The Juggler said:
I would think that makes a world of difference. This was a guy watering flowers probably around noon, as it was after Church. He wasn't attempting to break into the house. I think that makes a huge difference as opposed to spotting someone at the house in the middle of the night.Gern Blansten said:
But not confirming someone's identity who might not have the property owner's best intentions in mind is ignoring. My opinion.The Juggler said:
Also....no one is suggesting the police should have ignored the call. lol....Cropduster-80 said:
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
I don't like the idea that someone can be watering my flowers when I'm not home and a neighbor watching my house calls the cops to say that something doesn't look right and they don't do anything.
If he was watering the flowers at 3am does that make a difference?
What kind of burglar makes a big show of watering flowers so everyone can see him, before breaking into the place? Makes no sense. If the police utilized a little bit of common sense, the whole thing would have been averted.
Maybe I'm too submissive to the cops but I would have shown my ID and made it a 2 minute transaction.
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