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But it wasn't the police, it was the neighbors who called and said there was a suspicious man. Its actually not a big deal. Do you not want police to at least question a person who neighbors say is acting suspicious, or just ignore it because they might hurt his feelings? As I mentioned dI can think of 2 times its happened to me. Once we because my house alarm went off and I didn't put in the code fast enough. Alarm company called the house and I gave the correct password, but they claimed I hesitated, so they sent the police. Pretty dumb on their part if you ask me. Cops came out, asked for ID, wasn't a big deal. I actually didn't have ID, I was only about 14 at the time. They asked to go inside and see some family pictures. Not a big deal, was over in about 5 minutes.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.
A few years ago I was playing Pokemon Go at the park 3 houses down. Some neighbors reported a suspicious man wondering around outside the school. Cops knocked on my door, asked what I was doing there. Again, showed my ID, they ran it. I wasn't a child molester, so they left. No big deal. Its only a big deal if you want to make it a big deal.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
We both have 5 police encounters between us.mace1229 said:
But it wasn't the police, it was the neighbors who called and said there was a suspicious man. Its actually not a big deal. Do you not want police to at least question a person who neighbors say is acting suspicious, or just ignore it because they might hurt his feelings? As I mentioned dI can think of 2 times its happened to me. Once we because my house alarm went off and I didn't put in the code fast enough. Alarm company called the house and I gave the correct password, but they claimed I hesitated, so they sent the police. Pretty dumb on their part if you ask me. Cops came out, asked for ID, wasn't a big deal. I actually didn't have ID, I was only about 14 at the time. They asked to go inside and see some family pictures. Not a big deal, was over in about 5 minutes.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.
A few years ago I was playing Pokemon Go at the park 3 houses down. Some neighbors reported a suspicious man wondering around outside the school. Cops knocked on my door, asked what I was doing there. Again, showed my ID, they ran it. I wasn't a child molester, so they left. No big deal. Its only a big deal if you want to make it a big deal.It’s not a big deal to people who haven’t had 30 of them. At some point people put their foot down.It’s easy to assume it’s him being difficult, it’s a little bit of that and also it being too common. He could be tired of it, I assume
I put my foot down and it’s not even because it happens all the time. I have nothing but support for those who do it and are doing it at a disadvantaged position. It’s easy for me to do itPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
He cooperated. He said he had experience in law enforcement and knew he wasn’t required to supply ID. Even cited the code.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.0 -
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not sure what you mean by "but it wasn't the police". yes, someone made the call, but it was the cops who took it to a level they didn't need to. they have the choice of discretion.mace1229 said:
But it wasn't the police, it was the neighbors who called and said there was a suspicious man. Its actually not a big deal. Do you not want police to at least question a person who neighbors say is acting suspicious, or just ignore it because they might hurt his feelings? As I mentioned dI can think of 2 times its happened to me. Once we because my house alarm went off and I didn't put in the code fast enough. Alarm company called the house and I gave the correct password, but they claimed I hesitated, so they sent the police. Pretty dumb on their part if you ask me. Cops came out, asked for ID, wasn't a big deal. I actually didn't have ID, I was only about 14 at the time. They asked to go inside and see some family pictures. Not a big deal, was over in about 5 minutes.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.
A few years ago I was playing Pokemon Go at the park 3 houses down. Some neighbors reported a suspicious man wondering around outside the school. Cops knocked on my door, asked what I was doing there. Again, showed my ID, they ran it. I wasn't a child molester, so they left. No big deal. Its only a big deal if you want to make it a big deal.
I remember being harassed as a metalhead teen for just being "around". not just cops, but by random adults, store owners. they look at you as if you're a criminal. someone up to no good. "can I HELP you??". "uh, just choosing what kind of chips I want to buy, I'm good". watching you like a hawk like I'm more likely to steal than the preppy guy in the next aisle. I get it. And that was minor and I remember the anger I felt. Our cars got stopped by cops just for driving around. Searched the car and asked us to step out and asked for ID with no cause. But we didn't know any better, so we complied.
Imagine that happening to you on a regular basis with the real possibility you'll go home in a body bag. Yeah, I wouldn't want to keep giving them that power that they shouldn't have either.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
They took the white neighbour’s word he had a right to be there. Which cleared it up. Pretty much par for the courseThe Juggler said:
1. being “suspicious” isn’t even a potential crime
2. Trespassing is the only possible crime, but a neighbour cannot validly accuse anyone of trespassing, which is who reported it. They wouldn’t know one way or another.
everything else is unnecessary. Case closed.
Even if he was not authorised to be there and standing in a strangers yard, the police can’t do a thing unless the property owner requests he be removed.
it’s way different than showing up to a house with a door broken down, crowbars in the yard, and an alarm going off. That’s probable cause.Standing in a yard has no probable cause and the presumption of innocence should apply. Minus him standing there, that’s all they have. That’s nothing
the police need probable cause he can’t be there, the man doesn’t need to prove he can be. Showing an ID serves no propose as it still doesn’t clarify his reason for being there. It does however allow the police to check to see if they can arrest him for an outstanding warrant for something else
if the police are worried he may commit a crime, they are welcome to sit in their car on the street and wait. That’s about itPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
But the thing is if the cops didn't do anything about it, people would be hating on them for that too. Its a no win situation for them. Neighbor calls, says there's a suspicious guy. He doesn't want to prove he is who he says he is by a simple ID. If the cops walks away and he breaks into a house, then that doesn't go well either.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure what you mean by "but it wasn't the police". yes, someone made the call, but it was the cops who took it to a level they didn't need to. they have the choice of discretion.mace1229 said:
But it wasn't the police, it was the neighbors who called and said there was a suspicious man. Its actually not a big deal. Do you not want police to at least question a person who neighbors say is acting suspicious, or just ignore it because they might hurt his feelings? As I mentioned dI can think of 2 times its happened to me. Once we because my house alarm went off and I didn't put in the code fast enough. Alarm company called the house and I gave the correct password, but they claimed I hesitated, so they sent the police. Pretty dumb on their part if you ask me. Cops came out, asked for ID, wasn't a big deal. I actually didn't have ID, I was only about 14 at the time. They asked to go inside and see some family pictures. Not a big deal, was over in about 5 minutes.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.
A few years ago I was playing Pokemon Go at the park 3 houses down. Some neighbors reported a suspicious man wondering around outside the school. Cops knocked on my door, asked what I was doing there. Again, showed my ID, they ran it. I wasn't a child molester, so they left. No big deal. Its only a big deal if you want to make it a big deal.
I remember being harassed as a metalhead teen for just being "around". not just cops, but by random adults, store owners. they look at you as if you're a criminal. someone up to no good. "can I HELP you??". "uh, just choosing what kind of chips I want to buy, I'm good". watching you like a hawk like I'm more likely to steal than the preppy guy in the next aisle. I get it. And that was minor and I remember the anger I felt. Our cars got stopped by cops just for driving around. Searched the car and asked us to step out and asked for ID with no cause. But we didn't know any better, so we complied.
Imagine that happening to you on a regular basis with the real possibility you'll go home in a body bag. Yeah, I wouldn't want to keep giving them that power that they shouldn't have either.
But I based my previous comments on the assumption you are required to show ID when asked. If that isn't the case, then he should not have been arrested.0 -
According to those reports, in Ohio you have to be in a public space and they have to reasonably suspect you are commuting a crime in order to have to show them ID. In this case, the guy was on private property watering flowers in broad daylight. Seems as if the pastor knows the law better than the cops do.
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If people bitch, they say they checked it out and there was no reason to push the issue further based on the info they gathered.mace1229 said:
But the thing is if the cops didn't do anything about it, people would be hating on them for that too. Its a no win situation for them. Neighbor calls, says there's a suspicious guy. He doesn't want to prove he is who he says he is by a simple ID. If the cops walks away and he breaks into a house, then that doesn't go well either.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure what you mean by "but it wasn't the police". yes, someone made the call, but it was the cops who took it to a level they didn't need to. they have the choice of discretion.mace1229 said:
But it wasn't the police, it was the neighbors who called and said there was a suspicious man. Its actually not a big deal. Do you not want police to at least question a person who neighbors say is acting suspicious, or just ignore it because they might hurt his feelings? As I mentioned dI can think of 2 times its happened to me. Once we because my house alarm went off and I didn't put in the code fast enough. Alarm company called the house and I gave the correct password, but they claimed I hesitated, so they sent the police. Pretty dumb on their part if you ask me. Cops came out, asked for ID, wasn't a big deal. I actually didn't have ID, I was only about 14 at the time. They asked to go inside and see some family pictures. Not a big deal, was over in about 5 minutes.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.
A few years ago I was playing Pokemon Go at the park 3 houses down. Some neighbors reported a suspicious man wondering around outside the school. Cops knocked on my door, asked what I was doing there. Again, showed my ID, they ran it. I wasn't a child molester, so they left. No big deal. Its only a big deal if you want to make it a big deal.
I remember being harassed as a metalhead teen for just being "around". not just cops, but by random adults, store owners. they look at you as if you're a criminal. someone up to no good. "can I HELP you??". "uh, just choosing what kind of chips I want to buy, I'm good". watching you like a hawk like I'm more likely to steal than the preppy guy in the next aisle. I get it. And that was minor and I remember the anger I felt. Our cars got stopped by cops just for driving around. Searched the car and asked us to step out and asked for ID with no cause. But we didn't know any better, so we complied.
Imagine that happening to you on a regular basis with the real possibility you'll go home in a body bag. Yeah, I wouldn't want to keep giving them that power that they shouldn't have either.
But I based my previous comments on the assumption you are required to show ID when asked. If that isn't the case, then he should not have been arrested.0 -
Who would bitch? That’s the questionDewieCox said:
If people bitch, they say they checked it out and there was no reason to push the issue further based on the info they gathered.mace1229 said:
But the thing is if the cops didn't do anything about it, people would be hating on them for that too. Its a no win situation for them. Neighbor calls, says there's a suspicious guy. He doesn't want to prove he is who he says he is by a simple ID. If the cops walks away and he breaks into a house, then that doesn't go well either.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure what you mean by "but it wasn't the police". yes, someone made the call, but it was the cops who took it to a level they didn't need to. they have the choice of discretion.mace1229 said:
But it wasn't the police, it was the neighbors who called and said there was a suspicious man. Its actually not a big deal. Do you not want police to at least question a person who neighbors say is acting suspicious, or just ignore it because they might hurt his feelings? As I mentioned dI can think of 2 times its happened to me. Once we because my house alarm went off and I didn't put in the code fast enough. Alarm company called the house and I gave the correct password, but they claimed I hesitated, so they sent the police. Pretty dumb on their part if you ask me. Cops came out, asked for ID, wasn't a big deal. I actually didn't have ID, I was only about 14 at the time. They asked to go inside and see some family pictures. Not a big deal, was over in about 5 minutes.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not one of those "MY RIGHTS!" types of people, but this unreasonable request stuff is starting to get to me. no, it doesn't necessarily hit the "harassment" threshold in every instance, but why do the cops think it's reasonable to ask someone for something that they have no legal right to ask? that's the problem. the culture of policing in NA. it's a culture of bullying through fear because some people just don't understand their rights, so they succumb to the fear and let them do it. some cops have this idea that they are the authority, not the protection.mace1229 said:
If he was willing to cooperate but just didn't have his ID that would be one thing. But from the reporter it sounded like he wasn't cooperating to me. He lived across the street, I'm sure if that was where his ID was and he was willing to get it to show them, one of the cops would have escorted him. It just sounds like he wasn't willing to cooperate, so it escalated.The Juggler said:
Going out on a limb here and suggesting Mr. Cropduster is not African American. lol. Therein lies the problem.mace1229 said:
Maybe #1 is true, I don't know the neighbors and what made them call.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s two problemsmace1229 said:
So what are the cops supposed to do? They received a call for a suspicious person. They show up, ask for ID. And if you have it they move along. Its actually happened to me twice. Are cops not supposed to respond now when a neighbor think something is suspicious, because they don't want to hurt his feelings? If he showed his ID, this likely would have been over in less than 5 minutes like both times it happened to me.Cropduster-80 said:
I’m not so sure.tempo_n_groove said:
I wouldn't put this down as abuse. The Officers were calm and not being assholes.cblock4life said:https://www.wbrc.com/2022/08/24/childersburg-pastor-arrested-while-watering-neighbors-flowers-proceeds-with-discrimination-lawsuit/going to post this on police abuse as wellI’ve mentioned it before, but the exact same thing happened nextdoor to me.
the guy who cuts my neighbours grass got the cops called on him as the the nextdoor neighbours saw a black guy get out of a strange truck and walk onto their lawn. They saw this via their ring camera.Their long term lawn person bought a new truck. They only recognised him based on what he drove apparently
the cops came and it was a whole thing. Our neighbours weren’t even home so we had to explain the situation as they weren’t taking his word for it. Despite the fact he was actively mowing when they showed up. Why did I have to vouch for the guy? Because I’m white? Whatever happened, the cops left when my wife and I came outside. They never once thought the white guy walking out of an adjacent house might have also been breaking in. They had no way of knowing I even lived there, they assumed
you don’t have to get beat up for it to be abuse
I didn't see anything in that video that was abusive by the police.
1. The cops getting called at all
2. benefit of the doubt. That isn’t applied equally across races. It’s the assumption the guy is doing something wrong. If you think a black guy and a white guy gets the same treatment in the same situation consistently I’m not sure where you are living
ive refused to show ID to a cop before too. Based on principle. They knew they weren’t entitled to it based on the circumstances. They let it go. That doesn’t happen both ways consistently either
And #2 is true, I won't deny that. But you can't claim it when he doesn't cooperate. As I said, all it would have taken was to show his ID and I'm sure this would have been over in a couple minutes.
Likewise, the both times this happened to me, if I refused to cooperate or show my ID, I doubt they would have just walked away then either. You chose your own fate when the police are being polite, responding to a call they had nothing to do with and you don't cooperate.
Did you refuse to show ID after they were called on you? Circumstances may have been different for you.
But, yeah, sure, who doesn't go an grab their wallet and ID to water their neighbor's yard? Give me a break.
A few years ago I was playing Pokemon Go at the park 3 houses down. Some neighbors reported a suspicious man wondering around outside the school. Cops knocked on my door, asked what I was doing there. Again, showed my ID, they ran it. I wasn't a child molester, so they left. No big deal. Its only a big deal if you want to make it a big deal.
I remember being harassed as a metalhead teen for just being "around". not just cops, but by random adults, store owners. they look at you as if you're a criminal. someone up to no good. "can I HELP you??". "uh, just choosing what kind of chips I want to buy, I'm good". watching you like a hawk like I'm more likely to steal than the preppy guy in the next aisle. I get it. And that was minor and I remember the anger I felt. Our cars got stopped by cops just for driving around. Searched the car and asked us to step out and asked for ID with no cause. But we didn't know any better, so we complied.
Imagine that happening to you on a regular basis with the real possibility you'll go home in a body bag. Yeah, I wouldn't want to keep giving them that power that they shouldn't have either.
But I based my previous comments on the assumption you are required to show ID when asked. If that isn't the case, then he should not have been arrested.
white people. If you are usually the target of police harassment you celebrate them doing the only thing they can do which is nothing.If white people were being arrested left and right for unlawful demands to show ID, there would be an uproar like we have never seen. Or stop and frisk or whatever
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Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.www.myspace.com0
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If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
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Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.0 -
I am in agreement with you. Someone said earlier that the cops were in a lose-lose situation and I don't really think that was the case. Had they applied even the slightest amount of common sense when spotting this guy who was just watering his neighbors flowers, the whole situation would likely have been averted and nobody would've bitched about the cops.cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
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You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Lots of white people would bitch yes. That’s what I’m sayingmace1229 said:
You really don’t think people wouldn’t bitch if they called police for some suspicious guy, police never came, and there was a series of break ins, stolen cars or something similar by the guy they never checked out?Cropduster-80 said:
If there was a systemic culture shift in the police where this didn’t happen at all, yes people would bitch. The whole narrative would be our streets are less safe because the police can’t do itThe Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.
in this one instance, sure no one would complain
all of this kind of stuff gets packaged in police reform initiatives that never go anywherePeople complain their favorite show gets postponed a month. Pretty sure they’ll bitch over that.
Not saying that was going to happen here. But that’s what I meant when I said if they don’t respond and something does happen, it will be just as bad of an outcome.People are generally ok with rights being violated as long as it’s not theirs.
I know plenty of people in my neighbourhood who want more policing. They even pay extra for supplemental officers (real police, not rental cops). They don’t want themselves to be policed though they want other people policed. The cops know this, so they really don’t actively look for anything that isn’t external.
policing has always been targeted.
Look at drug enforcement as an example specifically possession charges. Any soccer mom yoga class is filled with illegal prescription drugs: opioids, Adderall, and a mix of a lot of other things. I’ve never seen the cops line them up and search them for being in a high drug area. Black communities though it’s common
Cops know this too, however arresting your tax base isn’t how to get more funding. Violating some peoples rights on the chance it reduces crime is a strategy. The police use it and white people generally don’t care, so it continues. It’s not their rights being violated most of the time.
policing without violating anyones rights shouldn’t even be a question. Sure it makes their jobs harder, but that’s what the job is supposed to be. If a crime ends up happening because a cop couldn’t legally stop it, so be it. Our rights are more important and the ends don’t justify the means
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Or she knew her neighbor was away and thought it odd that someone was over there?cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
Was the person that called even white? Was that proven?
For ID purposes. A cop is allowed to detain you until you are recognized or provide ID. There are some gray areas with that too though.0 -
Not being an ass but I wouldn’t have said whites are afraid of blacks if she wasn’t white.tempo_n_groove said:
Or she knew her neighbor was away and thought it odd that someone was over there?cblock4life said:
Two points about this, had she gone outside and spoke to him before calling the police she would have realized it was her neighbor (she did say it didn’t look like him) and this wouldn’t have happened, and how is that police working their area in daylight doesn’t know the pastor from across and right down the street.The Juggler said:Here's the thing though--nobody would bitch in this case. The woman who called the police even admitted she made a mistake.Why are white people afraid of black people?And why shouldn’t an elderly black gentleman not be immediately disgusted when being questioned while doing a favor for his neighbor considering it’s probably happened to him his whole life.There is no excuse for her and the cops reaction. None except racial profiling. I’m not saying they’re racist but the profiling is grotesquely blatant.
Was the person that called even white? Was that proven?
For ID purposes. A cop is allowed to detain you until you are recognized or provide ID. There are some gray areas with that too though.She came out of her house, not immediately, and said “I think this was my fault”. Well yes it was. Take your ass outside and approach the gentleman and she would have seen he lived right across the street and the pastor at a local church. Let’s not forget he had every right to refuse and as someone else stated was knowledgeable about the law and his rights.0 -
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/28/1119848113/byu-duke-volleyball-racism-fan-bannedAnother major religion/institution. All in the name of God.I can’t wait till whites become the minority0
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