Roe v Wade
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My original comment was more in reference to being surprised. The idiocy of republicans is stunning. I’ve worked closely with a cute young lady for the last 7 or so years, staunch Republican due to family, who tells me recently after the big Roe overturn she strongly supports womens reproductive rights (and programs to help the homeless as well). I stare at her stunned , like dude, you’ve been screwing your gender royally the last 15 or so years. Do you have any idea how your loyalty to family “common think” has cost you? If I were only so lucky.mrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
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If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time0 -
KS is a unique set of facts since their courts ruled abortion constitutional, which forced the pro life crowd to try to change their constitution. I’m having difficulty envisioning this happening in many other red states. Could be wrong.0
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Happen to be in Wichita now, passing through. I could hear the cheering from my hotel room that’s when I found out it was calledmrussel1 said:
If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time
people seem pretty happy here. The billboards on the side of the interstate today I would estimate were 90 percent pro life messaging though0 -
2022 Midterm elections Voting rights Abortion Government and politics Legislature Constitutions Kansas Topeka ReferendumsKansas voters protect abortion rights, block path to banBy JOHN HANNA and MARGARET STAFFORD33 mins ago
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas voters on Tuesday protected the right to get an abortion in their state, rejecting a measure that would have allowed their Republican-controlled Legislature to tighten abortion restrictions or ban it outright.
The referendum in the conservative state was the first test of U.S. voter sentiment about abortion rights since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June. It was a major victory for abortion rights advocates following weeks in which many states in the South and Midwest largely banned abortion.
Voters rejected a proposed amendment to the Kansas Constitution that would have added language stating that it does not grant the right to abortion. A 2019 state Supreme Court decision declared that access to abortion is a “fundamental” right under the state’s Bill of Rights, preventing a ban and potentially thwarting legislative efforts to enact new restrictions.
The referendum was closely watched as a barometer of liberal and moderate voters’ anger over the June ruling scrapping the nationwide right to abortion. The measure’s failure also was significant because of how conservative Kansas is and how twice as many Republicans as Democrats have voted in its August primaries in the decade leading up to Tuesday night’s tilt.
Kristy Winter, 52, a Kansas City-area teacher and unaffiliated voter, voted against the measure and brought her 16-year-old daughter with her to her polling place.
“I want her to have the same right to do what she feels is necessary, mostly in the case of rape or incest,” she said. “I want her to have the same rights my mother has had most of her life.”
Opponents of the measure predicted that the anti-abortion groups and lawmakers behind the measure would push quickly for an abortion ban if voters approved it. Before the vote, the measure’s supporters refused to say whether they would pursue a ban as they appealed to voters who supported both some restrictions and some access to abortion.
Stephanie Kostreva, a 40-year-old school nurse from the Kansas City area and a Democrat, said she voted in favor of the measure because she is a Christian and believes life begins at conception.
“I’m not full scale that there should never be an abortion,” she said. “I know there are medical emergencies, and when the mother’s life is in danger there is no reason for two people to die.”
An anonymous group sent a misleading text Monday to Kansas voters telling them to “vote yes” to protect choice, but it was suspended late Monday from the Twilio messaging platform it was using, a spokesperson said. Twilio did not identify the sender.
The 2019 Kansas Supreme Court decision protecting abortion rights blocked a law that banned the most common second-trimester procedure, and another law imposing special health regulations on abortion providers also is on hold. Abortion opponents argued that all of the state’s existing restrictions were in danger, though some legal scholars found that argument dubious. Kansas doesn’t ban most abortions until the 22nd week of pregnancy.
Backers of the measure began with advantage because anti-abortion lawmakers set the vote for primary election day, when for the past 10 years Republicans have cast twice as many ballots as Democrats. But the early-voting electorate was more Democratic than usual.
The Kansas vote is the start of what could be a long-running series of legal battles playing out where lawmakers are more conservative on abortion than governors or state courts. Kentucky will vote in November on whether to add language similar to Kansas’ to its state constitution.
Meanwhile, Vermont will decide in November whether to add an abortion rights provision to its constitution. A similar question is likely headed to the November ballot in Michigan.
In Kansas, both sides together spent more than $14 million on their campaigns. Abortion providers and abortion rights groups were key donors to the “no” side, while Catholic dioceses heavily funded the “yes” campaign.
The state has had strong anti-abortion majorities in its Legislature for 30 years, but voters have regularly elected Democratic governors, including Laura Kelly in 2018. She opposed the proposed amendment, saying changing the state constitution would “throw the state back into the Dark Ages.”
State Attorney General Derek Schmidt, a Republican hoping to unseat Kelly, supported the proposed constitutional amendment. He told the Catholic television network EWTN before the election that “there’s still room for progress” in decreasing abortions, without spelling out what he would sign as governor.
Although abortion opponents pushed almost annually for new restrictions until the 2019 state Supreme Court ruling, they felt constrained by past court rulings and Democratic governors like Kelly.
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Stafford reported from Overland Park and Olathe.
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For AP’s full coverage of the Supreme Court ruling on abortion, go to https://apnews.com/hub/abortion.
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Yeah I was driving in SC this past week, all the way down I-95 and there were a shit ton of pro life boards. You couldn't miss them. But I think SC would defeat such a measure as easily as KS did.Cropduster-80 said:
Happen to be in Wichita now, passing through. I could hear the cheering from my hotel room that’s when I found out it was calledmrussel1 said:
If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time
people seem pretty happy here. The billboards on the side of the interstate today I would estimate were 90 percent pro life messaging though0 -
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Billboards and other signage are indication that your average pro birth of voter is very devoted to the issue. But each of them only has one vote whereas most of the quieter folks are pro choice. I think there is a bit of an equivalency to people who really don’t think Biden won because his rallies are not as big. Fandom in fervor do not equal votes.Cropduster-80 said:
Happen to be in Wichita now, passing through. I could hear the cheering from my hotel room that’s when I found out it was calledmrussel1 said:
If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time
people seem pretty happy here. The billboards on the side of the interstate today I would estimate were 90 percent pro life messaging though1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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yeah i was thinking that the overturing of roe vs wade was going to blow up in the republicans' faces, but then i thought "why would these red states even bring this issue to a vote ever again when they can just pass laws??"
i guess the constitutional protection has to be voted on by the people.
it is good that turnout was so high. hopefully it will be high at the midterms too.
if i were a dem running in kansas i would smear my opponent with the fact that they are against the right to choose and make that stick like velcro."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Yes. It’s pretty clear that’s what happenedOnWis97 said:
Billboards and other signage are indication that your average pro birth of voter is very devoted to the issue. But each of them only has one vote whereas most of the quieter folks are pro choice. I think there is a bit of an equivalency to people who really don’t think Biden won because his rallies are not as big. Fandom in fervor do not equal votes.Cropduster-80 said:
Happen to be in Wichita now, passing through. I could hear the cheering from my hotel room that’s when I found out it was calledmrussel1 said:
If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time
people seem pretty happy here. The billboards on the side of the interstate today I would estimate were 90 percent pro life messaging though
you would think by the messages Kansas is extremely pro life. It isn’t in reality
also republicans in other states are running attack ads against democrats in other states saying they are radical for supporting the same access to abortion Kansas just overwhelmingly voted for. Seems pretty mainstream to me and should seem mainstream to everyone else now.0 -
States like TX, OK, and AR have no constitutional protection, so you would expect it to be fully illegal soon. So KS will become a center for abortion in that part of the country. Sweet, sweet irony...Cropduster-80 said:
Yes. It’s pretty clear that’s what happenedOnWis97 said:
Billboards and other signage are indication that your average pro birth of voter is very devoted to the issue. But each of them only has one vote whereas most of the quieter folks are pro choice. I think there is a bit of an equivalency to people who really don’t think Biden won because his rallies are not as big. Fandom in fervor do not equal votes.Cropduster-80 said:
Happen to be in Wichita now, passing through. I could hear the cheering from my hotel room that’s when I found out it was calledmrussel1 said:
If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time
people seem pretty happy here. The billboards on the side of the interstate today I would estimate were 90 percent pro life messaging though
you would think by the messages Kansas is extremely pro life. It isn’t in reality
also republicans in other states are running attack ads against democrats in other states saying they are radical for supporting the same access to abortion Kansas just overwhelmingly voted for. Seems pretty mainstream to me and should seem mainstream to everyone else now.0 -
When Texas starts suing liberal Kansas that will make my daymrussel1 said:
States like TX, OK, and AR have no constitutional protection, so you would expect it to be fully illegal soon. So KS will become a center for abortion in that part of the country. Sweet, sweet irony...Cropduster-80 said:
Yes. It’s pretty clear that’s what happenedOnWis97 said:
Billboards and other signage are indication that your average pro birth of voter is very devoted to the issue. But each of them only has one vote whereas most of the quieter folks are pro choice. I think there is a bit of an equivalency to people who really don’t think Biden won because his rallies are not as big. Fandom in fervor do not equal votes.Cropduster-80 said:
Happen to be in Wichita now, passing through. I could hear the cheering from my hotel room that’s when I found out it was calledmrussel1 said:
If it wins in Kansas, it wins everywhere except maybe Utah. They also put it on the August ballot rather than November, anticipating low turnout. It got smoked!Cropduster-80 said:
Yeah. Reproductive rights is in the state constitution. They were trying to amend it so I believe that requires a votemrussel1 said:
I see the lesson as Evangelicals have an outsized influence on the party and the D's will be committing political malpractice if they don't somehow make it the most important issue in November.Cropduster-80 said:
In a vacuum republicans seem to be pretty pro choice when it’s a single issue they get to vote on. The party will take note and stop letting people vote on it. Those same people will vote for pro life politicians because they are fellow republicans. Then they will just pass laws insteadmrussel1 said:
It's already called, 61-37%. It wasn't even close.Lerxst1992 said:Is Kansas really going to vote down the potential of an abortion ban? That’d be a pretty big story. And turnout for a primary there is off the charts.
that’s probably the lesson from Kansas
If gas gets down to under $3, I think that can happen.
I think there is some sort of state Constitution protection they were trying to remove, that's why it was on the ballot. I think FL has a similar issue, so abortion cannot be outright banned.
I can’t see any other states going with a ballot initiative on this by choice. Pro choice wins every time
people seem pretty happy here. The billboards on the side of the interstate today I would estimate were 90 percent pro life messaging though
you would think by the messages Kansas is extremely pro life. It isn’t in reality
also republicans in other states are running attack ads against democrats in other states saying they are radical for supporting the same access to abortion Kansas just overwhelmingly voted for. Seems pretty mainstream to me and should seem mainstream to everyone else now.
it’s funny because trump won Kansas by way more than Texas. It’s quite a bit more redPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
According to the Kansas City Star, turnout might be 63%, the same as the 2008 presidential election. That is crazy considering it was a primary in August, off year.0
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It’s great KS sent a message to the country, but let’s be realistic, this is a narrow set of facts that are not applicable to most red states.
The bottom line is showing up once or twice can do a little something, but SCOTUS has the sledge hammer here, and can undo yesterdays vote in the dark of night if they so choose. It takes 20 years of voting every year, around the country, to undo the damage that the lack of democratic turnout and independent indifference from this last generation to undo what the gop has accomplished in setting up this court.0 -
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I saw a tweet from a journalist (so I can't quite vouch...) that the turnout for that vote was higher than the two gubernatorial primaries combined.mrussel1 said:According to the Kansas City Star, turnout might be 63%, the same as the 2008 presidential election. That is crazy considering it was a primary in August, off year.
Honestly, if you'd told me that people would come out primarily to vote on that, I'd have thought it would go badly (because while most people are pro-choice, I have always believed there are more one-issue voters on the other side). Maybe this is a sign that pro-choicers are going to be more than passively pro-choice.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Yeah. In most sates, if a GOP-controlled legislature and Governor want to make this change, they can just do it. Kansas had a very specific scenario that broke the pro-choice way.Lerxst1992 said:It’s great KS sent a message to the country, but let’s be realistic, this is a narrow set of facts that are not applicable to most red states.
The bottom line is showing up once or twice can do a little something, but SCOTUS has the sledge hammer here, and can undo yesterdays vote in the dark of night if they so choose. It takes 20 years of voting every year, around the country, to undo the damage that the lack of democratic turnout and independent indifference from this last generation to undo what the gop has accomplished in setting up this court.
I do think this is a good indication of where people/voters stand on the issue. But I question whether that translates to a shift in party voting. I still suspect a lot of people that would vote "choice" over "birth" will accept all the other stuff they want will come at the price of an issue that isn't in their top-5.
I'm also interested to see what this does to GOP messaging around the issue. Will they back off on their draconian plans when campaigning (and will they be lying?)? Will they do what they can to avoid focus on the issue altogether (seems like a good strategy)? Will they say the majority doesn't matter because we're talking about equal rights of clumps of cells? (Bold and probably not effective).1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I think you're already seeing candidates and office holders in some states hedging their words and trying to downplay or outright ignore the issue. That's what is happening here in VA. But I expect that to be a top 3 issue to discuss at midterms, and if inflation/gas gets under control, it could be the top issue. Now the GOP will try to make it about gas and "parents rights" because they see that as a winning issue, and abortion is a loser.OnWis97 said:
Yeah. In most sates, if a GOP-controlled legislature and Governor want to make this change, they can just do it. Kansas had a very specific scenario that broke the pro-choice way.Lerxst1992 said:It’s great KS sent a message to the country, but let’s be realistic, this is a narrow set of facts that are not applicable to most red states.
The bottom line is showing up once or twice can do a little something, but SCOTUS has the sledge hammer here, and can undo yesterdays vote in the dark of night if they so choose. It takes 20 years of voting every year, around the country, to undo the damage that the lack of democratic turnout and independent indifference from this last generation to undo what the gop has accomplished in setting up this court.
I do think this is a good indication of where people/voters stand on the issue. But I question whether that translates to a shift in party voting. I still suspect a lot of people that would vote "choice" over "birth" will accept all the other stuff they want will come at the price of an issue that isn't in their top-5.
I'm also interested to see what this does to GOP messaging around the issue. Will they back off on their draconian plans when campaigning (and will they be lying?)? Will they do what they can to avoid focus on the issue altogether (seems like a good strategy)? Will they say the majority doesn't matter because we're talking about equal rights of clumps of cells? (Bold and probably not effective).0 -
Some people always thought that if Roe versus Wade was reversed that it would hurt to the GOP because they would have a harder time mobilizing voters. I’m sure many of them were unhappy at the decision. Even though they will still be able to take their mistresses across state or international lines when they need an abortion.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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how is the gop going to spin what happened in woke, blue, kansas last night?
have they called the election rigged yet?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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