America's Gun Violence #2
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PP193448 said:
Didn’t think that I was doing that. Sorry if that came across rudely. Just tired of finger pointing. Set aside differences and agree that policies need to change for the better.brianlux said:PP193448 said:People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…Thank you for screaming and shaming us. That always makes me want to do things differently.:joyousness:
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
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HughFreakingDillon said:
Welcome to how it works in canada. Our tobacco and alcohol prices are insanely higher than yours, all because of taxation of products that cost our health care system. A pack of 25 cigarettes is over $20 now. 40 ouncer of mid range booze is $35. I’ve gotten 66’s across the border for significantly less than that.mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.An excessive tax will never work in the US, either on bullets or guns, due the the word infringement in 2A.
“act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.”
Any meaningful gun regulation needs to pass thru SCOTUS. Like I mentioned to the Independent above screaming about partisanship, welcome to the debate independents. Guns are a partisan issue, and since it’s explicitly in the constitution, there is no way to get meaningful regulation when it’s 6-3 pro gun like it is now. It will take years if not decades of anti gun voting to get a pro gun regulation SCOTUS in place.
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The main beneficiaries of a 1000% tax would be those who deal illegally. You know what that means, right? Less regulations being enforced (bad), and more illegal arms dealers looking to cash in (also bad). This seems very counterproductive if you feel more regulations are the answer. Not all ideas are good, and it should be welcomed to provide reasons why.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am an ideas person. what is your solution? fact is we have a huge problem of gun violence in this country. even worse that one side of the political spectrum does not even recognize it as a problem. they view it as the cost of living in a free society.mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
these people want guns and ammo, then they have to pay for it. the constitution does not mention ammo, so it should not be protected under the 2nd amendment.
also, abortion is about to be illegal anyway, so why tax that at 1000%?
also, marijuana is still illegal in most places, how you gonna tax that?
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brianlux said:PP193448 said:
Didn’t think that I was doing that. Sorry if that came across rudely. Just tired of finger pointing. Set aside differences and agree that policies need to change for the better.brianlux said:PP193448 said:People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…Thank you for screaming and shaming us. That always makes me want to do things differently.:joyousness:
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.Have to disagree Bri, it’s not fair enough. We have independents living in a fantasy world. They need to take a hard look at the 6-3 court and understand that is. We are fighting a war for a safe country for our children and this chap is worried about finger wagging. While others fantasize that taxing guns would get past this 6-3 court.
one side tries to meet in the middle. The other side would start a nuclear war to prevent an anti gun justice on the court that would change the ideology on the bench.
That 6-3 margin will prevent any attempt at any real “policy” change. And that 6-3 margin has been brought to us by independents continually voting based on gas prices and who gives a better speech.0 -
Stop Independent-shaming me!
I love how others purport to know my take on things or how/why I’ll vote.
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I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Those were hypotheticals. If you tax bullets 1000% for whatever reason, what’s to stop parties from taxing those things, assuming they’re legal. And they are in many places.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am an ideas person. what is your solution? fact is we have a huge problem of gun violence in this country. even worse that one side of the political spectrum does not even recognize it as a problem. they view it as the cost of living in a free society.mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
these people want guns and ammo, then they have to pay for it. the constitution does not mention ammo, so it should not be protected under the 2nd amendment.
also, abortion is about to be illegal anyway, so why tax that at 1000%?
also, marijuana is still illegal in most places, how you gonna tax that?
Ive mentioned many gun laws I am for. Ridiculous taxes just wasn’t one of them.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Higher taxes on guns and ammo aren't going to affect gun violence. It just gives people one more reason to bitch at the government.It's a hopeless situation...0
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Guess all the gun nutters are for unfunded mandates? Mental health care, background checks, red flag law adjudication? Sure, it’s free. Doesn’t cost a dime. Hell, that’s why Abbott and Costello cut funding for mental health care in Tejas by $200+ M. That’s how you solve problems.
This is why nothing will change and I don’t take any of the gun nutters here seriously. Because you’re not serious.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Go Tejas, go!
Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs.
In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report
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mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:0 -
You could still smoke on a plane in the 80’s. And in bars, restaurants, the office and anywhere else you so desired. Fail.mace1229 said:
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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What’s a fail? That if you tax one thing 1000% why wouldn’t they tax something else? Or that I think most PSA commercials are cheesey?Halifax2TheMax said:
You could still smoke on a plane in the 80’s. And in bars, restaurants, the office and anywhere else you so desired. Fail.mace1229 said:
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:0 -
mace1229 said:
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:OK, thanks for clarifying. So to be fair, I'll answer your question: No, I don't listen to questions about second hand smoke. I haven't listened to a commercial in so many years I couldn't tell you. 20, 25? Easily. I don't watch TV.In any case, yeah, second hand smoke is problematic. But most people know not to expose others to second hand smoke. If they do, it could be considered abuse and charged as such. But if someone wants to smoke, who am I to judge? I smoked for a lot of years. The worst thing about smoking in terms of harming others (assuming they are not exposing others to it) is the use of filtered cigarettes and chew in plastic tubs. I posted elsewhere an interesting article about tobacco use being the most common source of plastic trash (it's here on AMT somewhere). But if tobacco is sold in tins or, better yet, bags they way Bull Durham was sold when I was in my late teens to early 20's, then it's not a porblem (a little side note here- in the early 70's you could buy a bag of Bull Durham that came with a small package of 20 rolling papers for a dime. Smoking deal- if you like smoking floor sweepings).Yeah, so anyway, I stand by what I said about alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions. They only hurt the people who use them on themselves. Most guns are used on others. BIG difference."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
That second hand smoke wasn’t a thing in the 80’s and that taxes are evil, particularly if they’re 1,000% and can you cite an example of one thing that was taxed but then it became another because, well, however you’ve squared it?mace1229 said:
What’s a fail? That if you tax one thing 1000% why wouldn’t they tax something else? Or that I think most PSA commercials are cheesey?Halifax2TheMax said:
You could still smoke on a plane in the 80’s. And in bars, restaurants, the office and anywhere else you so desired. Fail.mace1229 said:
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:So, what firearm tax % would be acceptable to fund all those gun safety solutions you’re in favor of?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Explains a lot about texas and too many of it's inhabitantsHalifax2TheMax said:Go Tejas, go!Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs.
In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report
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And yet Californians are flocking to Texas.0
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I disagree with a lot of this.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:OK, thanks for clarifying. So to be fair, I'll answer your question: No, I don't listen to questions about second hand smoke. I haven't listened to a commercial in so many years I couldn't tell you. 20, 25? Easily. I don't watch TV.In any case, yeah, second hand smoke is problematic. But most people know not to expose others to second hand smoke. If they do, it could be considered abuse and charged as such. But if someone wants to smoke, who am I to judge? I smoked for a lot of years. The worst thing about smoking in terms of harming others (assuming they are not exposing others to it) is the use of filtered cigarettes and chew in plastic tubs. I posted elsewhere an interesting article about tobacco use being the most common source of plastic trash (it's here on AMT somewhere). But if tobacco is sold in tins or, better yet, bags they way Bull Durham was sold when I was in my late teens to early 20's, then it's not a porblem (a little side note here- in the early 70's you could buy a bag of Bull Durham that came with a small package of 20 rolling papers for a dime. Smoking deal- if you like smoking floor sweepings).Yeah, so anyway, I stand by what I said about alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions. They only hurt the people who use them on themselves. Most guns are used on others. BIG difference.
Im going to back up a little to avoid confusion for anyone who didn’t follow my original comment. I’m not trying to compare tobacco to guns. That was just on my short list of things that could or would get crazy taxed if that becomes a
common practice.I disagree with taxing anything 1000%. That just seems ridiculous and unlawful to me. But those who are, my comment was why would government stop at ammo? I mentioned tobacco as one example that could be on the list. But really, for those who think the GOP is trying to ban contraceptives, wouldn’t this create an easy path for them to do that?
But to your points. Yes, most people know not to expose others to second hand smoke. Most people also know not to shoot others. There are many forms of second hand smoke that are legal. Planes and restaurants are illegal, but there are very few restrictions in the home or other places kids may be around.
The last statement about tobacco only hurting those who use them on themselves. I don’t understand that because you just acknowledged second hand smoke is a problem. CDC reports 41,000 second hand smoking deaths a year. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htmIf we are going to compare that to guns, that’s higher higher than gun homicides by a lot.
But back to my original point, I can’t justify taxing anything that high. Its obviously a work around a ban. I can’t get behind the government essentially saying “I can’t ban this, so I’ll just tax it so much it’s impossible for most to get.” Even if you try to justify it because guns kill, it just opens the door and it won’t stop at guns. And all the justifications for guns or ammo seem to equally apply to tobacco to me. But in reality, they won’t look for equal justification when taxing the next thing.And for the record Brian. I think everyone regards you as one of the most respectful here. You’ve never disagreed with me by making personal attacks. I probably speak for everyone that if you think I’m shaming you, you’re probably reading a tone that wasn’t meant to be there.0 -
I’ve see most gun owners here agree on many new gun reforms. Why are you hung up on this one? Most don’t require a high tax to implement. Universal background checks, no loopholes, magazine limits, etc require no additional tax.Halifax2TheMax said:
That second hand smoke wasn’t a thing in the 80’s and that taxes are evil, particularly if they’re 1,000% and can you cite an example of one thing that was taxed but then it became another because, well, however you’ve squared it?mace1229 said:
What’s a fail? That if you tax one thing 1000% why wouldn’t they tax something else? Or that I think most PSA commercials are cheesey?Halifax2TheMax said:
You could still smoke on a plane in the 80’s. And in bars, restaurants, the office and anywhere else you so desired. Fail.mace1229 said:
I wasn’t shaming. I’m sorry you took it that way. Was more making fun of the ineffectiveness of those cheesey commercials of the 80s if anything with that commercial comment.brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far.gimmesometruth27 said:i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.Thank you for more shaming! Nothing motivates me more than shaming and screaming at me. A little beating on bratty me with a baseball bat (oh yeahhhhhhhh) is also effective.:JOY:So, what firearm tax % would be acceptable to fund all those gun safety solutions you’re in favor of?
I never said taxes are evil. They are essential to find government, which provides roads, police, fire, etc.
“can you cite an example of one thing that was taxed but then it became another because, well, however you’ve squared it?” I don’t know what this means and I never said that. I never said one thing was taxed but then became another. I did say if you tax guns or ammo at 1000%, then you open the door to tax anything at 1000%. And no I can’t cite examples because that’s never happened. Why do you expect examples on a hypothetical situation that has never happened?
Okay, so second hand smoke became a thing in the 90s and not 80s? Who cares?0
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