America's Gun Violence #2
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tempo_n_groove said:
It makes rid of these pests much easier, yes. It's for long range, not close encounters though. They aren't going to run up on you and bite your ankle. They run and burrow so it's the distance that is needed.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.Merkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?
It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either.
Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure.
Can't get a Jack Russell Terrier?
Listen, I'm not anti 2A, but you don't need a god damn AR15 for ground hogs, which I have to imagine is a point we agree on when all is said & done.0 -
It's the caliber that makes the difference. I'd be happy w the mini 14 then, take the damn AR and it's copycats. Nobody is committing crimes w one of those.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
It makes rid of these pests much easier, yes. It's for long range, not close encounters though. They aren't going to run up on you and bite your ankle. They run and burrow so it's the distance that is needed.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.Merkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?
It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either.
Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure.
Can't get a Jack Russell Terrier?
Listen, I'm not anti 2A, but you don't need a god damn AR15 for ground hogs, which I have to imagine is a point we agree on when all is said & done.0 -
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
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We already established you can get the job done without a gun, you can get a dog.tempo_n_groove said:
It's the caliber that makes the difference. I'd be happy w the mini 14 then, take the damn AR and it's copycats. Nobody is committing crimes w one of those.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
It makes rid of these pests much easier, yes. It's for long range, not close encounters though. They aren't going to run up on you and bite your ankle. They run and burrow so it's the distance that is needed.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.Merkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?
It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either.
Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure.
Can't get a Jack Russell Terrier?
Listen, I'm not anti 2A, but you don't need a god damn AR15 for ground hogs, which I have to imagine is a point we agree on when all is said & done.
But go on about caliber & mini 14s etc.0 -
Dog doesn't always work but yes, carry on...Merkin Baller said:
We already established you can get the job done without a gun, you can get a dog.tempo_n_groove said:
It's the caliber that makes the difference. I'd be happy w the mini 14 then, take the damn AR and it's copycats. Nobody is committing crimes w one of those.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
It makes rid of these pests much easier, yes. It's for long range, not close encounters though. They aren't going to run up on you and bite your ankle. They run and burrow so it's the distance that is needed.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.Merkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?
It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either.
Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure.
Can't get a Jack Russell Terrier?
Listen, I'm not anti 2A, but you don't need a god damn AR15 for ground hogs, which I have to imagine is a point we agree on when all is said & done.
But go on about caliber & mini 14s etc.0 -
You're the one that said only rich had guns back in the day.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
The “elitists” were the “well regulated militia.” So the 2A is flexible as nowhere does it mention costs or having to be affordable. Love the hypocrisy. Life is full of choices.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
I'll start my own militia, make up a coat of arms, an oath, secret handshake and rules then.Merkin Baller said:
It should be a “well regulated militia” thing, as literally spelled out in the second amendment.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
are you your own state now too?
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I said "wealthy," not "elitist." Now you're changing it to "rich." What was considered "rich" back in the day? And how did they afford their firearms?tempo_n_groove said:
You're the one that said only rich had guns back in the day.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
The “elitists” were the “well regulated militia.” So the 2A is flexible as nowhere does it mention costs or having to be affordable. Love the hypocrisy. Life is full of choices.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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tempo_n_groove said:
Dog doesn't always work but yes, carry on...Merkin Baller said:
We already established you can get the job done without a gun, you can get a dog.tempo_n_groove said:
It's the caliber that makes the difference. I'd be happy w the mini 14 then, take the damn AR and it's copycats. Nobody is committing crimes w one of those.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
It makes rid of these pests much easier, yes. It's for long range, not close encounters though. They aren't going to run up on you and bite your ankle. They run and burrow so it's the distance that is needed.Merkin Baller said:tempo_n_groove said:
Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.Merkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?
It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either.
Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure.
Can't get a Jack Russell Terrier?
Listen, I'm not anti 2A, but you don't need a god damn AR15 for ground hogs, which I have to imagine is a point we agree on when all is said & done.
But go on about caliber & mini 14s etc.
Carry on thinking guns are a necessity when they clearly aren't.0 -
I'm not rich or elitist so owning my own state is out of that equation.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
I'll start my own militia, make up a coat of arms, an oath, secret handshake and rules then.Merkin Baller said:
It should be a “well regulated militia” thing, as literally spelled out in the second amendment.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
are you your own state now too?0 -
Wanting to have only the wealthy own firearms becomes a status thing where only the elite, rich can own them.Halifax2TheMax said:
I said "wealthy," not "elitist." Now you're changing it to "rich." What was considered "rich" back in the day? And how did they afford their firearms?tempo_n_groove said:
You're the one that said only rich had guns back in the day.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
The “elitists” were the “well regulated militia.” So the 2A is flexible as nowhere does it mention costs or having to be affordable. Love the hypocrisy. Life is full of choices.
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Really? I use landmines mostlyMerkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?0 -
my guard moose takes care of them.bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I just thought of the movie Caddyshack and chuckled.nicknyr15 said:
Really? I use landmines mostlyMerkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?0 -
I do have some pretty ballsy chipmunks moving in... might have to look into this.nicknyr15 said:
Really? I use landmines mostlyMerkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?0 -
This made me laugh too.HughFreakingDillon said:
my guard moose takes care of them.bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?
On topic, you don't need/want a 100rd clip. You know how heavy that would be?0 -
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I'm asking you what was the level of wealth required to own a firearm "back in the day" of the 2A, seeing how you think only the elitists owned them back then. Yes, in my belief, they were "wealthy." Where in the 2A does it say that firearms have to be affordable? Or that you can't tax them or the ammo? Someone on here thinks micro-stamping is out of the question because of the cost, to which I say up to $250 per gun is not to much of a price to pay to track guns used in crime when no weapon is found and potentially be able to hold straw purchasers "responsible" or "responsible" gun owners accountable when their firearms are used in crimes (half of firearms used in crimes that are recovered are stolen).tempo_n_groove said:
Wanting to have only the wealthy own firearms becomes a status thing where only the elite, rich can own them.Halifax2TheMax said:
I said "wealthy," not "elitist." Now you're changing it to "rich." What was considered "rich" back in the day? And how did they afford their firearms?tempo_n_groove said:
You're the one that said only rich had guns back in the day.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
The “elitists” were the “well regulated militia.” So the 2A is flexible as nowhere does it mention costs or having to be affordable. Love the hypocrisy. Life is full of choices.
The 2A has no language regarding cost of firearms or the ammo. So, the 2A is either flexible to the times or its not. You seem to be an originalists (no bans), which brings me back to how did 'Muricans get and keep their firearms when the 2A was written and how is it that they could afford them? Mass production didn't exist yet. What level of wealth made them "elitists?"
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My air rifle and .22 seemed to handle all of those things just fine growing up on the farm. You really get your aiming honed in because you have to get the headshot. I guess my .270 would have done the trick, but that's just stupid.tempo_n_groove said:
Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.Merkin Baller said:bootlegger10 said:So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip? Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like.Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
All I asked is if you wanted to make gun ownership elitist...Halifax2TheMax said:
I'm asking you what was the level of wealth required to own a firearm "back in the day" of the 2A, seeing how you think only the elitists owned them back then. Yes, in my belief, they were "wealthy." Where in the 2A does it say that firearms have to be affordable? Or that you can't tax them or the ammo? Someone on here thinks micro-stamping is out of the question because of the cost, to which I say up to $250 per gun is not to much of a price to pay to track guns used in crime when no weapon is found and potentially be able to hold straw purchasers "responsible" or "responsible" gun owners accountable when their firearms are used in crimes (half of firearms used in crimes that are recovered are stolen).tempo_n_groove said:
Wanting to have only the wealthy own firearms becomes a status thing where only the elite, rich can own them.Halifax2TheMax said:
I said "wealthy," not "elitist." Now you're changing it to "rich." What was considered "rich" back in the day? And how did they afford their firearms?tempo_n_groove said:
You're the one that said only rich had guns back in the day.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.tempo_n_groove said:
So it should still be an elitest thing?Halifax2TheMax said:Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
The “elitists” were the “well regulated militia.” So the 2A is flexible as nowhere does it mention costs or having to be affordable. Love the hypocrisy. Life is full of choices.
The 2A has no language regarding cost of firearms or the ammo. So, the 2A is either flexible to the times or its not. You seem to be an originalists (no bans), which brings me back to how did 'Muricans get and keep their firearms when the 2A was written and how is it that they could afford them? Mass production didn't exist yet. What level of wealth made them "elitists?"0
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