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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Merkin Baller said:
    I thought it was “firmest path” 

    lol
    I believe that’s it. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i did not know anybody actually said the word varmint besides yosemite sam.
    haha I honestly didn't know it was a real word. I thought it was slang. 

    cmon, you didn’t Google it when corduroy came out? Oh…wait.
    was google around when vitalogy came out? i never knew it was in that song. crazy, haha
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Context, people! Why would he take a varmint’s (or even vermin’s) path? Take a firm/strong path (stance) and not allow those who want something, anything, from him to do so.

    My nickel’s worth, anyway. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,107
    What we need are more firearms, particularly for when you’re denied another drink during your flight or don’t want to put your tray table back and your seat in the upright position.

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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    edited June 2022
    If you all are interested in getting to the bottom of this mid 90s mystery, just Ask Jeeves.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Gotta say, I have never been able to hear it as anything other than "I'll take the furnace back..."

    No, it doesn't make any sense. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    NY laws being introduced.

    Red Flag laws expanding.
    Microstamping bullets.
    No one under 21 can purchase semiauto rifles.
    Social Media has to police their platforms more.  (Not sure how they do this?)An executive order will also go through that has LE monitor social media for warning signs.
    Body armor illegal for non LE.
    Firearm definitions are expanded to try and put other firing devices on the lists.
    High capacity magazines that were bought legally are now illegal.
    Stating Mass harm is now against the law.
    Expanding shared information between agencies.
    Gun salespersons need to be up to date on how to write transfers and State Police need to inspect gun dealers every 3 years.
    I’m not for the micro stamping of bullets.
    I don’t see it having much of a benefit and it’s just going to raise the cost by quite a bit. Which many have already treated they are okay with taxing guns and ammo so much to where it’s a rich man’s luxury. 
    But do people really want individuals who carry guns for a living to not be able to afford to target practice? Or have people with conceal carry permits walking around who haven’t been to the range in years because of the cost?
    I have no concern about people with conceal carry permits not going to a shooting range.
    So you’re okay with people in private security or work with large amounts of cash and valuables who carry for protraction, having zero training and little access to a firing range? Seems dangerous to me.
    As dangerous as allowing 18 years olds to buy AR-15s?
    Probably not. But I don’t see why it has to be one or the other.
    it doesn't....your argument is a hypothetical
    You said you’re okay with people who have cc permits to having limited access to training and a range. I asked how is that safe. You responded with it’s safer than giving an 18 year old a rifle. The 2 are not related. 
    A lot of people legitimately carry guns, I don’t see why you’d want to limit their training with a firearm.
    You are saying they have limited access....they don't
    No, I said I would be against gun laws that are essentially a tax that would increase the cost so much to make it limited access. I never said that was the case now.  You said you don’t care. I said seems dangerous to have people who rely on guns to not be trained with them. Then you said an 18 year old with a gun is more dangerous. Then I said the 2 aren’t related. No where did I say there is currently limited access.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,107
    Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
    So it should still be an elitest thing?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    AR types, mini 14's, sporter rifles, for as long as I can remember have been called "varmint rifles".  They usually had a heavier barrel on them though for long range shooting.
  • Merkin Baller
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
    So it should still be an elitest thing?
    It should be a “well regulated militia” thing, as literally spelled out in the second amendment. 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    edited June 2022
    So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip?   Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?
  • bootlegger10
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    Scalise said we didn’t ban planes after 9/11.  The Republicans in Congress are disgusting (a few are reasonable).  
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    edited June 2022
    bootlegger10 said:
    So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip?   Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?

    I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like. 

    Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious? 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Merkin Baller said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip?   Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?

    I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like. 

    Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious? 
    Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
    So it should still be an elitest thing?
    It should be a “well regulated militia” thing, as literally spelled out in the second amendment. 
    I'll start my own militia, make up a coat of arms, an oath, secret handshake and rules then.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip?   Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?

    I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like. 

    Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious? 
    Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.

    It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either. 

    Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
    So it should still be an elitest thing?
    It should be a “well regulated militia” thing, as literally spelled out in the second amendment. 
    I'll start my own militia, make up a coat of arms, an oath, secret handshake and rules then.
    If it's well regulated, in the eyes of the law, I think I'll be ok with that. 

    You should too, if you're a law abiding gun owner. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
    So it should still be an elitest thing?
    It should be a “well regulated militia” thing, as literally spelled out in the second amendment. 
    I'll start my own militia, make up a coat of arms, an oath, secret handshake and rules then.
    If it's well regulated, in the eyes of the law, I think I'll be ok with that. 

    You should too, if you're a law abiding gun owner. 
    Seriously, the militias out there have always irked me.  Braggarts w hardware.  Wasn't for me.  I like the training part, not the image. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So what do people in other countries do about varmints if they can’t get a hold of an AR15 with a 100 bullet clip?   Are rodents and small animals taking over cities?

    I don’t own an AR15, but somehow I’m still able to defend my home from raccoons & possums & the like. 

    Can’t speak for the danger of prairie dogs tho, maybe those are extra vicious? 
    Gophers and groundhogs can make for a bad day on a farm.

    It's pretty sad if you think you need a gun to handle an encounter with either. 

    Does it make it easier? Sure, but somehow I've survived encounters w/ both animals and not needed a gun. Go figure. 
    It makes rid of these pests much easier, yes.  It's for long range, not close encounters though.  They aren't going to run up on you and bite your ankle.  They run and burrow so it's the distance that is needed.
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