static111 said:

It's almost like some people are heavily invested in the belief that guns aren't the problem in the only developed country that this happens in every day...

• School shootings database: More than 311,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine

static111 said:

It's almost like some people are heavily invested in the belief that guns aren't the problem in the only developed country that this happens in every day...

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

Related to what I said yesterday above, this is from a NY Times article this morning:

"Shootings that kill multiple people are so common in this country that they often do not even make national news. They are a regular feature of American life. Tulsa has become the latest example — yet another gun crime that seems almost ordinary here and yet would be extremely rare in any other country as wealthy as the U.S."

Yet it happens again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and...

Usually because it was with a handgun and not an AR.  The AR story is newsworthy and a handgun is not.

My point is that shooting are so common now, most of them go unnoticed.  The Times listed the shooting this year that killed at least 3 people:

2022, so far

Jan. 19, Baltimore: A man who worked for a gun violence reduction program was killed in an East Baltimore neighborhood, along with two others. A fourth person was injured.

Jan. 23, Milwaukee: Five men and a woman were found shot to death at a Park West neighborhood home. The police believe the attack targeted specific people.

Jan. 23, Inglewood, Calif.: The same day, a shooting at a birthday party killed four people, including two sisters, and wounded a fifth. The shooting was gang-related, the mayor said.

Jan. 29, St. Louis: A shooting near an intersection killed three young men and wounded a fourth. Police said they had no suspects.

Feb. 5, Corsicana and Frost, Texas: A 41-year-old man murdered his mother, his stepfather, his sons and the son of his ex-girlfriend in an overnight shooting. The man later fatally shot himself.

Feb. 28, Sacramento: A man shot dead his three daughters and their chaperone at a church during a court-approved visit. The children’s mother had a restraining order against the shooter, who killed himself.

March 12, Baltimore: A shooting in Northwest Baltimore killed three men in a car and wounded a fourth.

March 19, Fayetteville, N.C.: A Saturday night shootout in a hotel parking lot killed three people and wounded another three. The shooting may have been linked to a fight between motorcycle gangs.

March 19, Norfolk, Va.: Hours later, an argument outside a bar escalated into a shooting that killed three young bystanders. One of the victims was a 25-year-old newspaper reporter whose editor called her to cover the shooting, not realizing she had been killed.

April 3, Sacramento: At least five shooters fired more than 100 rounds a block from the State Capitol, killing six people — three men and three women — and wounding 12. The police described the shooting as gang-related.

April 20, Duluth, Minn.: A 29-year-old man who said he suffered from mental illness killed his aunt, uncle, two young cousins and their dog in their sleep. He later killed himself.

April 21, Mountain View, Ark.: A man killed his parents, another woman and her son at two homes half a mile apart in a rural community, the police say.

April 27, Biloxi, Miss.: A 32-year-old man killed the owner of the Broadway Inn Express motel and two employees in an argument over money. He fled to a neighboring town and fatally shot a fourth person. Police later found the gunman dead, barricaded inside a convenience store.

May 8, Clarkston, Ga.: Three people were shot to death and three others were wounded at a suburban Atlanta condo complex on a Sunday night.

May 14, Buffalo: An 18-year-old avowed white supremacist killed 10 people and wounded three more with an assault-style weapon in a live-streamed attack at a supermarket.

May 24, Uvalde, Texas: An 18-year-old gunman killed 19 students and two teachers at Robb Elementary School.

May 27, Stanwood, Mich.: A 51-year-old man allegedly killed his wife and her three young children at a home in Mecosta County before shooting himself, police said. The man remains in critical condition.

June 1, Tulsa, Okla.: A gunman killed his back surgeon, another doctor, a receptionist and a visitor at a medical building. He then killed himself.

Yes and again, it's not national news unless it w an AR.

We had a mass shooting in the subway.  That barely made any headlines 1 because nobody was killed 2 not an AR and the only reason it might still is because there were 2 in NY at one time.

The media has a job, to sell advertising.  Unfortunately those other shootings don't mean squat to the moneyline.

Don't fret though as one of the victims is suing Glock over the subway one.  This will be interesting.

sentence 1 is not true. 

paragraph 2: it did make national, international headlines even. I heard about it almost immediately. It was all over the place. 

Paragraph 3: partially correct. yes, the media goes with the most sensationalistic stories. no question. however, they give the public what they want, and that is "the bigger the tragedy, the longer it stays in the news cycle". it has zero to do with the type of gun used. It has everything to do with how many people were injured/killed and who it was. it's obviously going to be seen as a much bigger tragedy if it's a bunch of kids minding their own business trying to learn how to spell. It's a crime that is harder for the general public to understand, hence why it stays around longer. 

Please explain?

1-For Brians list it is true.
2-I corrected myself.
3-again this was towards Brians list

If anything the point you're making reinforces the need for stricter gun control. There are simply far too many shootings occurring in the US for people to keep track of. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

It's almost like some people are heavily invested in the belief that guns aren't the problem in the only developed country that this happens in every day...

To compare the US to other developed countries is a bit unfair. We are a nation founded by a violent overthrow and our founders deemed it necessary to indoctrinate guns as a national right for everyone. Some may believe 2A was intended for national defense, because in the 1700s, the militia, as referred to in 2A, was essentially our defense against our British overlord oppressors. These are steps other English speaking “nations” were not willing to take.

Since Scalia memorialized 2A by essentially whiting out the “well regulated militia” phrase, America is operating as intended. By Scalia and the folks who bother to show up to vote.

Until there are enough people who believe guns are to blame and vote every year this will be the status quo. Unfortunately folks against guns tend to and start sobbing when BBB can’t get past Manchin and are too upset to vote every year. 

nearly all nations are founded by some type of violence. the US hasn't had this problem until the last 30 or so years. it's multi-faceted, but I don't buy the "it's in our nation's blood" argument. 

bootlegger10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

It's almost like some people are heavily invested in the belief that guns aren't the problem in the only developed country that this happens in every day...

To compare the US to other developed countries is a bit unfair. We are a nation founded by a violent overthrow and our founders deemed it necessary to indoctrinate guns as a national right for everyone. Some may believe 2A was intended for national defense, because in the 1700s, the militia, as referred to in 2A, was essentially our defense against our British overlord oppressors. These are steps other English speaking “nations” were not willing to take.

Since Scalia memorialized 2A by essentially whiting out the “well regulated militia” phrase, America is operating as intended. By Scalia and the folks who bother to show up to vote.

Until there are enough people who believe guns are to blame and vote every year this will be the status quo. Unfortunately folks against guns tend to and start sobbing when BBB can’t get past Manchin and are too upset to vote every year. 

nearly all nations are founded by some type of violence. the US hasn't had this problem until the last 30 or so years. it's multi-faceted, but I don't buy the "it's in our nation's blood" argument. 

The other English speaking countries stayed loyal to the crown, which helped shape a civilized culture. Sure there was violence at times, but did guns become a birthright? The US didn’t just have violence, but an immense war to win freedom. With that came a blank slate for culture to evolve. Arming private citizens became part of that culture. Mix that in with slavery, civil rights, immigration. And Al Capone is on line one…

Guns are the means but my god it is sad how so many murderous people are in the US.