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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,781
    OnWis97 said:
    The NRA was so close to being less ghoulish 


    https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1049054141/a-secret-tape-made-after-columbine-shows-the-nras-evolution-on-school-shootings
    “In addition to mapping out their national strategy, NRA leaders can also be heard describing the organization's more activist members in surprisingly harsh terms, deriding them as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes" who might go off script after Columbine and embarrass them. 

    And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."”

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Hobbes said:
    brianlux said:
    What a drag for kids today.  They either have to think that maybe the only way to be safe in class is to have the schools built like a high-security prison (and it already sucks that they are often like a low-security prisons), or go to a school that isn't guarded, bolted, wired, and fortresses and wonder if their heads are going to get blown off that day.  The kids today are getting a raw deal.  The worst in many decades since back to the days of child labor.  What a shame.  Way to fail, America.
    Not to mention being in a state of worry, anxiety, and hyperarousal significantly impairs executive functioning and critical thinking. Not exactly a healthy learning environment.

    "Hey, honey. How was school?"
    "I survived."
    "What'd you learn?"
    "How to barricade myself in a classroom."
    "Anything else?"
    "Oh, that every time the door opens, I have a serious panic attack."
    "But the teachers didn't talk about CRT or being gay, did they?!"
    "Um..."

    Good point, Hobbes.  I also read an article in either the NY Times or The Guardian that talked about kids having anxiety over global warming.  They are bombarded with all these heavy concerns. 
    I don't have kids in my life anymore, at least none close enough to see them, and I'm not sure what I would say them at this point.  It's terribly sad.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    edited May 2022
    Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school? 

    Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.
    Post edited by cincybearcat on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    cincybearcat said:
    Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school? 

    Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.

    No longer, but I did teach 5th/6th graded years ago, and subbed for a few years, mostly 4 through 12the grade.  That was before Columbine.  My teaching and my students experiences surely were more enjoyable and relaxed than they would have been had I taught more recently.

    We have other teachers and parents here who might be willing to answer your question.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school? 

    Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.

    No longer, but I did teach 5th/6th graded years ago, and subbed for a few years, mostly 4 through 12the grade.  That was before Columbine.  My teaching and my students experiences surely were more enjoyable and relaxed than they would have been had I taught more recently.

    We have other teachers and parents here who might be willing to answer your question.
    I have a daughter that just finished freshman year. So lucky that none of this has affected her personally. She also clearly understand and is mad when she talks about it, but when not specifically talking about it with me, she doesn’t seem to think about it at all. So very lucky for now…
    hippiemom = goodness
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school? 

    Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.

    No longer, but I did teach 5th/6th graded years ago, and subbed for a few years, mostly 4 through 12the grade.  That was before Columbine.  My teaching and my students experiences surely were more enjoyable and relaxed than they would have been had I taught more recently.

    We have other teachers and parents here who might be willing to answer your question.
    I have a daughter that just finished freshman year. So lucky that none of this has affected her personally. She also clearly understand and is mad when she talks about it, but when not specifically talking about it with me, she doesn’t seem to think about it at all. So very lucky for now…

    That's good!  I hope she manages to maintain a good outlook.  
    Growing up with the fear of nuclear war and then worrying about having to go to Vietnam (which didn't happen but it was close), I often had a gloomy outlook on life and had to dig myself out of that hole as I got older.  Still have to do that now and then.   Finding a balance is tough.

    It would be interesting to hear from out other teacher members here about your question.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • bootlegger10
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    nicknyr15 said:
    Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle? 
    How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all???   Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.  
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,221
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle? 
    How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all???   Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.  
    I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    nicknyr15 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle? 
    How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all???   Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.  
    I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps 
    Yeah, wasn't attacking your comment.  Just doing something is better than the current strategy.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle? 
    How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all???   Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.  
    I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps 
    Yeah, wasn't attacking your comment.  Just doing something is better than the current strategy.  

    will require those who CAN do something about it to agree its a problem in the first place and not isolated incidents. As seems the case now. Even their talking points have a lack of effort behind them because they are unserious. Both in the ideas presented and them  just in general.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle? 
    How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all???   Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.  
    I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps 
    Yeah, wasn't attacking your comment.  Just doing something is better than the current strategy.  

    will require those who CAN do something about it to agree its a problem in the first place and not isolated incidents. As seems the case now. Even their talking points have a lack of effort behind them because they are unserious. Both in the ideas presented and them  just in general.
    Yep, they know something else will come up in the news and push this to the side.  It happens every time so they know they don't have to make an effort.
  • Bentleyspop
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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  • mickeyrat
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Leading tfg advisor....



    aww how cute. he has a camo belt to round out the outfit.

    umm not for nothin but who tucks in a long sleeve t shirt?
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  • brianlux
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    From today's letter by Heather Cox Richardson:
    Outrage continues over the Uvalde massacre of last Tuesday, May 24, in which 21 people were killed and 17 wounded. The assault on this elementary school stands out for many reasons: the youth of the victims, the apparent mishandling of the situation by law enforcement officers, and the heroism of the parents, for example. After all, there have been at least 14 mass shootings in the U.S. since the Uvalde murders, killing at least 10 people and wounding another 61, and they have gotten much less attention.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Not for nuttin but who cares when twenty one die due to firearms? Ha, ha, not ‘Murica.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,369
    Canada is going to ban handguns now.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Canada is going to ban handguns now.
    cue up the "dictator Trudeau" rhetoric. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,369
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Canada is going to ban handguns now.
    cue up the "dictator Trudeau" rhetoric. 
    The notion is really wild to me.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,781
    edited May 2022

    The January 6th televised hearings are just around the corner, everyone will forget all about Uvalde & nothing will ever change.

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