America's Gun Violence #2
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Could you imagine being a part of that tactical team waiting an hour.
Then finding kids still alive in the room after you kill the shooter. Not to mention the carnage they would have witnessed after.
19 dead mutilated little kids, wake the fuck up people.
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Why should they move or postpone their event? What good would that do? The promotion of gun culture by people and organizations like the NRA causes these shootings. Whether they have the convention this week or next month makes no difference to what they believe.mace1229 said:
I think it’s horrible timing and bad taste to not move or postpone the event. But you can’t fault anyone for enforcing no guns at an event with a former president, even if it is the NRA.Hobbes said:NRA is banning guns at their own convention. Laughable. I understand it’s the request of the secret service as trump will be in attendance, for his safety. Bans keep people safe, apparently.
Its ironic, but that’s about all.The same goes for the musicians who have pulled out of playing at the convention. Some of them have claimed it’s out of respect for the victims, but if they had any respect for victims of gun violence they wouldn’t have agreed to perform at an NRA event in the first case. They’re pulling out due to respect for their careers and their income. They don’t even have the courage to own their own bad decisions.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.0 -
There was one fucked up crazy shooter. Police in bulletproof gear storm the fuck in there and stop the threat. WTF. Stop planning. No time. Maybe they had to call the PD lawyer to get approval, or everyone had to charge their body cams… Maybe they were afraid of getting sued and having riots because one of the kids might have accidentally got shot by police. We will have to wait to see what the information is presented in the near future as to why the fuck they didn’t go quicker.2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0
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As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately0 -
ExactlyCropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0 -
Duplicate post, sorry
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From the NYT's
Students who were in the classroom with the gunman called 911 several times, including a lengthy call during which some shooting and other sounds of the attack could be heard, according to Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.Mr. McCraw described the calls this way at a news conference Friday:
A caller identified — I will not say her name, but she was in room 112 — called 911 at 12:03. The duration of the call, was 1 minute and 23 seconds. She identified herself and whispered she’s in room 112.
At 12:10, she called back, in room 112, advised there are multiple dead.
At 12:13, again, she called on the phone.
Again at 12:16, she’s called back and said there was eight to nine students alive.
At 12:19, a 911 call was made, and another person in room 111 called. I will not say her name. She hung up when another student told her to hang up.
At 12:21, you could hear over the 911 call that three shots were fired.
At 12:36, a 911 call, it lasted for 21 seconds. The initial caller called back. The student-child called back, and was told to stay on the line and be very quiet. She told 911 that he shot the door.
At approximately 12:43 and 12:47, she asked 911 to please send the police now.
At 12:46, she said she not could not—— that she could hear the police next door.
At 12:50, shots are fired, they can be heard over the 911 call.
At 12:51, it’s very loud, and sounds like officers are moving children out of the room. At that time, the first child that called was outside before the call cuts off.
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All of this so pee brained assholes can play GI JOE with their big guns.
Grow the fuck up.0 -
PP193448 said:
ExactlyCropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
You should discuss the protocol with your schools then. Take it up with them since you disagree...Cropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately0 -
That's pretty much itdignin said:All of this so pee brained assholes can play GI JOE with their big guns.
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It’s the police but yeah. A strategy that is more dangerous for them, which it is. I’m sure they’ll listentempo_n_groove said:PP193448 said:
ExactlyCropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
You should discuss the protocol with your schools then. Take it up with them since you disagree...Cropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t own firearms and my fantasies don’t include being a victim of gun violence, mass shooting or otherwise. But, unfortunately, my anxiety does. Gee, wonder why?tempo_n_groove said:
Nah, it was this comment that NO ONE batted an eye at...cincybearcat said:
Yeah the convo was headed completely in the right direction when we were talking about kids getting shot at school.. but now....shit, better get out of here and head to Houston.tempo_n_groove said:
I'm sorry that you are afraid to do anything. You shouldn't have to live life that way. I don't think like that and I ride the subways here in NYC. There is a better chance I win the lotto then getting shot. I think that way to put things in perspective and not live in fear.Halifax2TheMax said:
It crosses my mind every time I go to the supermarket, ride public transit or attend a sporting event or any event with a crowd. It sucks to go through life lately thinking at any time you might be a victim of a shooting. All because the gun nutters want guns everywhere without restrictions, or very few. Except at the NRA convention where loaded, open/concealed carry is banned.tempo_n_groove said:
That thought has crossed my mind every time I went to one. I won't lie.Halifax2TheMax said:What if a bad guy with a gun shows up at the convention of good guys with guns and the good guys with guns have to use their buck knives to cut the zip ties and then scramble to find the ammo for their clips? Imagine the carnage?
What makes POOTWH’s, or any politician’s, life more valuable than those kids’ or grocery shoppers’ in Buffalo? Or any victim? The myth and the hypocrisy are astounding. Good luck.
Time to tap out of here for a while as this is where the convo turns south...
Have fun among yourselves.Gern Blansten said:
crossed your mind? or was part of your fantasy?tempo_n_groove said:
That thought has crossed my mind every time I went to one. I won't lie.Halifax2TheMax said:What if a bad guy with a gun shows up at the convention of good guys with guns and the good guys with guns have to use their buck knives to cut the zip ties and then scramble to find the ammo for their clips? Imagine the carnage?
I saw a lady I know in the grocery store the other day and she told me, "I don't feel safe anywhere anymore. I don't feel safe going out or being here at work. I only feel safe at home, and sometimes I don't even feel safe there."
I get it.
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I get why they are making them do it, but I am like you, I'd want my kids out. If you had to sit and wait that long then there is a problem and something else needs to get done, I'm with you.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s the police but yeah. A strategy that is more dangerous for them, which it is. I’m sure they’ll listentempo_n_groove said:PP193448 said:
ExactlyCropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
You should discuss the protocol with your schools then. Take it up with them since you disagree...Cropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
If I was a teacher I would have escorted the kids out the damn window to safety. No way I'd want to stay in there. I'd have had my ass reprimanded, but I'd live with it.
That mom though could have gotten other kids killed by doing what she did.
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this can go here too
Have we brought up that Cruz and Co sent a letter to Biden demanding lifting sanctions on russian ammunition manufacturing because it was seen as a slippery slope to gun control by the NRA?
https://www.salon.com/2022/05/27/this-is-an-attempt-at-control-ted-cruz-fought-russian-sanctions-over-ammo-shortage-concerns_partner/
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Ammo has been hard to find for the last several years.Cropduster-80 said:
Yes. It’s not an automatic rifle though.g under p said:Wait you mean to tell me someone 18 can buy that many rounds and automatic rifles as if one is going to war. I hope that was not all at one time. That's crazy, I hope that's not the the case here in Florida.
✌️I can go buy 50,000 rounds of ammo right now. Doesn’t even raise an eyebrow
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Not to sidetrack the discussion but one minute before he crashed his car a teacher propped open a door. If I was betting the school has crap AC and it was hot. Since doors seem to be a constant cause citedtempo_n_groove said:
I get why they are making them do it, but I am like you, I'd want my kids out. If you had to sit and wait that long then there is a problem and something else needs to get done, I'm with you.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s the police but yeah. A strategy that is more dangerous for them, which it is. I’m sure they’ll listentempo_n_groove said:PP193448 said:
ExactlyCropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
You should discuss the protocol with your schools then. Take it up with them since you disagree...Cropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
If I was a teacher I would have escorted the kids out the damn window to safety. No way I'd want to stay in there. I'd have had my ass reprimanded, but I'd live with it.
That mom though could have gotten other kids killed by doing what she did.
I only say that because my kids school had AC from the 70’s and the kids have started taking pictures of the thermostat on their iPads. It’s way over 80 degrees all the time.District can’t afford to fix it. The well funded PTA offered to replace it. That’s a no too because it’s not fair to the more disadvantaged schools in the district. Uvalde is pretty disadvantaged to begin with so they probably have no funding and no well funded PTA.What if it’s not even about doors, it’s about a crappy AC unit ? You’ve got people like Ted Cruz saying the door should have been locked. That puts blame on the school. Asking why the door was open in the first place could very well make it a funding issue and the politicians faultPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
this is something out of the fucking walking dead. this poor kid is going to be messed up for a long, long time. this is not normal.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/robb-shooting-survivor-miah-cerrillo/index.html
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That isn't what I was getting at. If the school was indeed on lockdown a mom shouldn't be able to come in and grab her kids. People weren't doing their jobs and that mom put others at risk.Cropduster-80 said:
Not to sidetrack the discussion but one minute before he crashed his car a teacher propped open a door. If I was betting the school has crap AC and it was hot. Since doors seem to be a constant cause citedtempo_n_groove said:
I get why they are making them do it, but I am like you, I'd want my kids out. If you had to sit and wait that long then there is a problem and something else needs to get done, I'm with you.Cropduster-80 said:
It’s the police but yeah. A strategy that is more dangerous for them, which it is. I’m sure they’ll listentempo_n_groove said:PP193448 said:
ExactlyCropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
You should discuss the protocol with your schools then. Take it up with them since you disagree...Cropduster-80 said:
As a parent I would have gone in, right or wrong I’d do it.tempo_n_groove said:
Some form of protocol was broken. Kids and teachers lock themselves in the room and hide until law enforcement tells them it's ok.HughFreakingDillon said:
are you surmising the school wasn't really on lockdown or something? isn't lockdown procedural until the authorities get there? a school can't still be on full lockdown if the police need to get in and outtempo_n_groove said:
I don't see how you don't find anything wrong with what happened?Gern Blansten said:
hard to stop a mother....she probably wasn't going to stop for anyone or anythingtempo_n_groove said:
No way a school on lockdown w an active shooter should have a person come in and be able to retrieve their kids and no one stopped them, someone opened a door to allow them in...Gern Blansten said:
And it also backs up that the police had the gunman isolated so that she was able to do that.tempo_n_groove said:
Thanks. The school wasn't in very good lockdown if she was able to grab her kids from 2 different grades and get them out...HughFreakingDillon said:https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=
not sure if it was posted, but I think @tempo_n_groove wanted to read about this story
Now I understand why the mom did it but it put other lives in jeopardy with her doing that and other teachers allowing her and going through with it.
I am thinking worst case scenario on what could have happened.This containment strategy reminds me of the old protocol when planes were hijacked. The assumption was never they are going to crash the plane. Today it is.
a school shooter is killing as many as possible and will likely kill themselves or die by police. Waiting an hour means more deaths. They aren’t taking hostages and asking for money and a van to escape. You breach immediately
If I was a teacher I would have escorted the kids out the damn window to safety. No way I'd want to stay in there. I'd have had my ass reprimanded, but I'd live with it.
That mom though could have gotten other kids killed by doing what she did.
I only say that because my kids school had AC from the 70’s and the kids have started taking pictures of the thermostat on their iPads. It’s way over 80 degrees all the time.District can’t afford to fix it. The well funded PTA offered to replace it. That’s a no too because it’s not fair to the more disadvantaged schools in the district. Uvalde is pretty disadvantaged to begin with so they probably have no funding and no well funded PTA.What if it’s not even about doors, it’s about a crappy AC unit ?
I did think about the AC thing because that is why I mentioned fleeing out the window.0
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