America's Gun Violence #2

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,896
    So the answer is to arm the teachers whom are presumably trained BLM Radical Left marxists that are grooming our kids on CRT and socialism? Case Closed
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,623
    static111 said:
    So the answer is to arm the teachers whom are presumably trained BLM Radical Left marxists that are grooming our kids on CRT and socialism? Case Closed
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  • BALLBOYBALLBOY Australia Posts: 1,035
    Is it illegal to not own a gun in Texas??
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    static111 said:
    So the answer is to arm the teachers whom are presumably trained BLM Radical Left marxists that are grooming our kids on CRT and socialism? Case Closed
    A Concealed Carry permit will be accepted in lieu of a teaching certificate for all new applicants.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,896
    BALLBOY said:
    Is it illegal to not own a gun in Texas??
    I don't own a gun, nor does my wife nor my 10 year old daughter.  I'm sure we are in the minority.  At 40 having lived in some really rough neighborhoods in my younger days and never having needed a gun or having been so afraid I would justify getting one, I feel the best thing to do is go with what works which is not owning a gun.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,877
    Its in favor of banning a type of firearm and not all firearms. 6 in 10 are in favor of banning assault weapons. Not "all firearms." Why can't you answer the question I posed? Are you unable to defend yourself if your firearm is not an assault weapon? If you can't legally purchase an assault weapon but can purchase every other type of firearm, has your 2A been infringed? And you find that unacceptable?

    What percentage of Americans want to ban ALL FIREARMS?
    Ahhh, I missed the ALL.

    I said no on banning assault type weapons, that isn't anything new with me so I will say it again.

    Ban=Bad
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,877
    Poncier said:

    Stop it, they can't afford shoes.  They are lucky to even have those guns...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    static111 said:
    I don't own a gun, nor does my wife nor my 10 year old daughter.  I'm sure we are in the minority.  At 40 having lived in some really rough neighborhoods in my younger days and never having needed a gun or having been so afraid I would justify getting one, I feel the best thing to do is go with what works which is not owning a gun.
    yep....if I needed mine it would take 20 minutes to find it...find the bullets, lock and load.  But that's fine. 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,623
    Stop it, they can't afford shoes.  They are lucky to even have those guns...
    Looking at their house, they can afford shoes, they just opt to go au natural, perhaps the doughy lawyer hubby has a foot fetish or perhaps wifey is one of those maniacs who won't allow anyone to walk on her floors in shod feet.
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    yep....if I needed mine it would take 20 minutes to find it...find the bullets, lock and load.  But that's fine. 
    Me too. Mine isn’t for home defense in a traditional sense. An intruder isn’t a fear of mine and I live in the middle of the biggest city in Texas.  Plus at 2am I’ll probably sleep through it anyway. So I’ll either wake up in the morning  or I won’t 

    Society breaking down, a hurricane that cuts us off for months or whatever.  I’ll have plenty of notice I need to get it out. 

    Inaccessible is safest for my family so that works for me
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,302
    static111 said:
    So the answer is to arm the teachers whom are presumably trained BLM Radical Left marxists that are grooming our kids on CRT and socialism? Case Closed

    Arming teachers = more money for gun manufacturers = more money for politicians 

    They don't care about stopping mass shootings. Mass shootings are actually good for GOP business if we're being honest. 

    All that other culture war bullshit doesn't matter. 

    Dead children or teachers DEFINITELY don't fucking matter. 




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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612

    Arming teachers = more money for gun manufacturers = more money for politicians 

    They don't care about stopping mass shootings. Mass shootings are actually good for GOP business if we're being honest. 

    All that other culture war bullshit doesn't matter. 

    Dead children or teachers DEFINITELY don't fucking matter. 




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    That's the crazy part. The GOP will throw out the "dems are using this for political purposes" yet they immediately start pushing the gun control buttons that cause people to buy more guns.  Great for the gun industry.
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,877
    Poncier said:
    Looking at their house, they can afford shoes, they just opt to go au natural, perhaps the doughy lawyer hubby has a foot fetish or perhaps wifey is one of those maniacs who won't allow anyone to walk on her floors in shod feet.
    They don't really live there, that's "the help"...
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    That's the crazy part. The GOP will throw out the "dems are using this for political purposes" yet they immediately start pushing the gun control buttons that cause people to buy more guns.  Great for the gun industry.
    Gun stocks go up after every mass shooting.

    airline stocks go down after every crash 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,302
    That's the crazy part. The GOP will throw out the "dems are using this for political purposes" yet they immediately start pushing the gun control buttons that cause people to buy more guns.  Great for the gun industry.

    It all makes perfect sense if you approach this from the perspective that these tragedies are actually good for their bottom line. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,877
    Ahhh, I missed the ALL.

    I said no on banning assault type weapons, that isn't anything new with me so I will say it again.

    Ban=Bad
    And therein lies the problem.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612

    It all makes perfect sense if you approach this from the perspective that these tragedies are actually good for their bottom line. 
    Yeah and the magats are pushing the "it was all a set up to get us closer to gun control" bullshit. Same as Sandy Hook.
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Yeah and the magats are pushing the "it was all a set up to get us closer to gun control" bullshit. Same as Sandy Hook.
    According to Paul Gosar: 
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    Echoed by Alex Jones and candice owens 

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    static111 said:
    So the answer is to arm the teachers whom are presumably trained BLM Radical Left marxists that are grooming our kids on CRT and socialism? Case Closed
    And only having one door for the whole building, per Ted Cruz. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,877
    And therein lies the problem.
    There is a word called compromise but this is where you and I won't agree because you lack the effort.

    I have said multiple times what I am comfortable with, harder to obtain, wait list, more paperwork, but I am not in for a ban.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,302
    And only having one door for the whole building, per Ted Cruz. 
    Because creating a choke point DEFINITELY wouldn't help someone intending to kill as many people as possible. 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    There is a word called compromise but this is where you and I won't agree because you lack the effort.

    I have said multiple times what I am comfortable with, harder to obtain, wait list, more paperwork, but I am not in for a ban.
    Ultimately that’s the problem. I’m probably closer to your position than I am with the left flank of my party. I’m almost exclusively way left of center. 

    pushing for a ban means nothing gets done. There is value in incrementalism.  All or nothing doesn’t work and it never will 

    in an ideal world I’m ok with assault weapons being illegal. I will strongly support any legislation that stops short of that  though, to just do something . Anything  is better than nothing 


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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,896
    And only having one door for the whole building, per Ted Cruz. 
    Sounds like a fire hazard
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,249
    Because creating a choke point DEFINITELY wouldn't help someone intending to kill as many people as possible. 
    I think it's safe to assume he, and others, meant one door to get in and out of the school that isn't an emergency exit. All other doors remain locked from the outside at all times. Not that I should probably give them the benefit of doubt on this, but that was my interpretation.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,877
    There is a word called compromise but this is where you and I won't agree because you lack the effort.

    I have said multiple times what I am comfortable with, harder to obtain, wait list, more paperwork, but I am not in for a ban.
    You’re in the minority based on the polling you linked and I guess what you’re saying is that you’re incapable of defending yourself and you believe that your 2A rights would be infringed if you can’t buy, own or possess an assault rifle. That’s why nothing will change. It’s the disingenuous slippery slope argument.

     The assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004, how many firearms were seized by the gubmint and were citizens unable to defend themselves or did they lose their 2A rights?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,302
    tbergs said:
    I think it's safe to assume he, and others, meant one door to get in and out of the school that isn't an emergency exit. All other doors remain locked from the outside at all times. Not that I should probably give them the benefit of doubt on this, but that was my interpretation.

    Yeah, I'm sure you're right, but like you said. It's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,249
    Ultimately that’s the problem. I’m probably closer to your position than I am with the left flank of my party. I’m almost exclusively way left of center. 

    pushing for a ban means nothing gets done. There is value in incrementalism.  All or nothing doesn’t work and it never will 

    in an ideal world I’m ok with assault weapons being illegal. I will strongly support any legislation that stops short of that  though, to just do something . Anything  is better than nothing 


    I agree, I want there to be a start and banning any firearm is a non-starter for the other side at this time no matter how much it may frustrate the opposition. Legislation happens through compromise. The Dems need to put forth a universal background check and longer wait period as a bare minimum on any bill they draft. Maybe include possible age limitations for certain firearms that are unrelated to hunting. See what the GOP comes back with. If they still balk at those increased requirements, then run that shit all over up until election.

    I post this knowing full well that HB8 sits out there.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    You’re in the minority based on the polling you linked and I guess what you’re saying is that you’re incapable of defending yourself and you believe that your 2A rights would be infringed if you can’t buy, own or possess an assault rifle. That’s why nothing will change. It’s the disingenuous slippery slope argument.

     The assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004, how many firearms were seized by the gubmint and were citizens unable to defend themselves or did they lose their 2A rights?
    The assault weapons ban had a lot of loopholes…. However what’s more important  this:
    it passed 56-43

    back then a filibuster wasn’t used for every single piece of legislation.  Even controversial legislation.

    a sixty vote minimum as a matter of course on anything is a larger problem. Polling doesn’t matter, when it’s minority rule in action 
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,834
    This is a sad thought..... 
     
    but has anyone contemplated the ratio of life safety legislation in America between fire safety and gun safety. 

    How many deaths in America are due to fires? 
    How many deaths are in America due to mass shootings? 

    Fire codes are rampant... signage, signals, emergency exits, sprinklers, hydrants, electrical codes, combustible codes, etc. etc.  and all of these are forced onto businesses and public buildings and residential buildings. All with one purpose in mind:  Do these things to help save lives.

    Is it feasible to think that because America can't get over their obsession of guns that legislation begins mandating safe rooms, barricades, automated lockdown buildings, classrooms, etc? 

    I imagine in America, there is a pull station and extinguisher in every classroom and cafeteria. 

    How comfortable would you be if it was later required to have bulletproof vests under every classroom chair?  
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,877
    You’re in the minority based on the polling you linked and I guess what you’re saying is that you’re incapable of defending yourself and you believe that your 2A rights would be infringed if you can’t buy, own or possess an assault rifle. That’s why nothing will change. It’s the disingenuous slippery slope argument.

     The assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004, how many firearms were seized by the gubmint and were citizens unable to defend themselves or did they lose their 2A rights?
    I went over this previously too, all of it...  sorry.
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