America's Gun Violence #2
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Gern Blansten said:well said....jesus christ I can't believe we have to repeat this every fucking time a school gets shot upBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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tbergs said:Ever since that armed robbery in California years ago, police agencies have been outfitted with more fire power, but the problem is they aren't patrolling the hallways of your kid's school with that semi-auto assault rifle draped across their shoulder and decked out in full body armor. Our police would need to be outfitted like our military on foreign soil in order to properly engage most of these fucking asshole mass shooters. Is that the next "solution"? Military presence at schools like we're in a war torn country. I fully believe that a lot of people think that is the answer and want their kids going to school with shit like that as the standard.Scio me nihil scire
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HughFreakingDillon said:I understand what you are saying. completely. However, maybe these frivolous arguments wouldn't occur if we would learn the correct verbiage when entering a discussion? how can a discussion be had about something like that if we don't first understand the language. this is why it always comes down to the 2A'ers thinking "THE LEFT IS COMING FOR ALL YOUR GUNS". because that's how it's presented, and the onus is somehow on them to decipher what it is we're talking about.
it's really no different than the right arguing about something as broad as "late term abortions", and then it turns into a kerfuffle about what that exactly means. it's because they don't know what they are talking about. or, as the left assumes, it's coded language for "THE RIGHT IS TRYING TO BAN ALL ABORTIONS FROM CONCEPTION". which is also (many times) false.Scio me nihil scire
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static111 said:We are in a war torn country. This doesn't happen in civilized nations. This is why our daughter goes to private school. If it becomes a thing to have armed guards in full battle gear, we will probably be homeschooling.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I think "arm the teachers" and "good guy with a gun" people might take action movie scenes a bit too seriously. I'm trying to imagine my 5th grade teacher grabbing his keys, opening a drawer, pulling out a gun, and rolling into the hallway getting three perfect shots (2 to the chest and one to the head) of the shooter. And of course, with no chance of him tagging another teacher and two more kids in the process, while pee runs down his leg.
If I'm riding the LRT train and I see one gun, I'm not really hoping for armed good guys. More amateur gunslingers is probably going to lead to a large number of stray bullets. This shit is difficult for cops to get right in the heat of the moment; why do I want the person coming home from their office job or their shift at Target protecting the rest of us with gunfire? No thanks.
I remember watching movies and seeing the protagonist survive after someone would miss multiple shots and thinking "like anyone is that bad of a shot..." honestly, it was probably closer to accurate than I realized; or at least it would have been if more collateral damage would have been done.
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HughFreakingDillon said:I understand what you are saying. completely. However, maybe these frivolous arguments wouldn't occur if we would learn the correct verbiage when entering a discussion? how can a discussion be had about something like that if we don't first understand the language. this is why it always comes down to the 2A'ers thinking "THE LEFT IS COMING FOR ALL YOUR GUNS". because that's how it's presented, and the onus is somehow on them to decipher what it is we're talking about.
it's really no different than the right arguing about something as broad as "late term abortions", and then it turns into a kerfuffle about what that exactly means. it's because they don't know what they are talking about. or, as the left assumes, it's coded language for "THE RIGHT IS TRYING TO BAN ALL ABORTIONS FROM CONCEPTION". which is also (many times) false.2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0 -
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The gunman stormed passed an armed security guard and was in the school for an hour prior to being killed by a law enforcement tactical team. So much for the good guy with a gun.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Hey guys here is some background info you should read to help you understand all the terminology.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/breakdown-gun-terminology-help-discussions-221859783.htmlA breakdown of gun terminology to help you in discussions on mass shootings and debates over gun contro
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Gern Blansten said:Actually YOU said "we don't need to ban AR-15s" and I said "Yeah we need to ban AR-15s"0
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mace1229 said:That’s half of what I said. I said you don’t need to ban AR15s, ban the features that you don’t like. That would be more effective. I don’t understand why this is something you’re arguing about, I would think that would be good to know.Post edited by Gern Blansten onRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Halifax2TheMax said:The gunman stormed passed an armed security guard and was in the school for an hour prior to being killed by a law enforcement tactical team. So much for the good guy with a gun.
I read maybe an hour ago that it was actually a border guard who had been nearby who finally managed to get into the classroom and take him out.
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HughFreakingDillon said:I get where mace is coming from. he's trying to come up with solutions and is getting mocked by people who, let's be honest here, don't really know the specifics of what we are talking about. many of us know the point we want to get to, but we don't the specific verbiage.
Anyone who is upset should want to know the semantics. If you want to have a voice and create change, know what you’re taking about. I just don’t understand it, the whole dismissing input from gun owners, or just saying “you’re taking about semantics.” Yeah, because that’s important.I actually do believe a lot of people think banning AR15s will help solve the problem, not knowing that there’s lots of guns capable of doing the same thing that don’t look even close to it. And even just a ban on assault rifles won’t be as effective, manufactures and people will find ways to around an “assault rifle” ban by adding or removing some cosmetic feature or something. That’s happened before, it’ll happen again
Most gun owners are willing to cooperate and come up with solutions and add input . They just never seem to be received well.0 -
mace1229 said:I’ve believed for a while the biggest obstacle for gun restrictions is actually the anti gun crowd. That is a usually response when people who own guns and know what they are taking about want to give honest feedback. I really don’t get it.
Anyone who is upset should want to know the semantics. If you want to have a voice and create change, know what you’re taking about. I just don’t understand it, the whole dismissing input from gun owners, or just saying “you’re taking about semantics.” Yeah, because that’s important.I actually do believe a lot of people think banning AR15s will help solve the problem, not knowing that there’s lots of guns capable of doing the same thing that don’t look even close to it. And even just a ban on assault rifles won’t be as effective, manufactures and people will find ways to around an “assault rifle” ban by adding or removing some cosmetic feature or something. That’s happened before, it’ll happen again
Most gun owners are willing to cooperate and come up with solutions and add input . They just never seem to be received well."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Gern Blansten said:for the sake of the argument....I referred to the AR-15 specifically because mace did. Not that is being used against me. Give me a fucking break.
Im not trying to criticize anyone. I really just don’t understand what you disagree with when i say “don’t ban AR15s, ban features on an AR 15 that make it more deadly.” That would obviously apply to all guns. That’s a bigger, more effecting broader ban. But because a gun supporter suggested it you’re against it or something?0 -
gimmesometruth27 said:no. no they aren't. SOME are. there are many people here that are willing to have an honest conversation. go to comments sections on your local newspaper social media pages and check out the discourse on there. that is more of a microcosm of what america is really like. this place is the anomoly."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Gern Blansten said:because you misrepresented what I said....and if the features of an AR-15 are banned then the AR-15 is banned. You knew exactly what I/we meant.Post edited by mace1229 on0
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Ban assault rifles. Fuck the semantics. Jesus christ.www.myspace.com0
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