America's Gun Violence #2

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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,840
    Bears 

    if you’ve ever been waist deep in a river fishing and a bear is standing on the bank staring at you, you’ll  know why.  

    That’s one reason.  There are a lot of others. You can get a shotgun license even in the UK if you are a farmer and they are about as strict on guns as anywhere for foxes and stuff 


    I was going to add farmers. I grew up on a farm, and we had guns to protect our livelihood. I probably learned how to shoot before I learned my ABCs.

    Also, criminals generally need guns in their line of work, too, since their opposition is armed.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,867
    I don't think you're a nutter, but the position you're taking here suggests otherwise. 
    My position is from what you said.  "There is no point of arguing" so I won't then.  I'm not changing your mind and will move on is all.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,975
    I've always thought these ideas could definitely help:
    1.  Mandatory safety training before first firearm purchase.
    2. Contact employer/school to see if there are any red flags before initial purchase.
    3. Close gun show loophole.
    4. More extensive background check.
    5. Mag capacity at ten rounds.

    Just my .02.  
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,294
    My position is from what you said.  "There is no point of arguing" so I won't then.  I'm not changing your mind and will move on is all.
    Your  position is to shut down at the word 'ban' which isn't a reasonable position. 


    I appreciate your perspective, I meant it when I said I don't think you're a nutter, but no citizenry should have access to weapons like that. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    Don't the new governments in place over in the middle east get taken over by the juntas?

    Don't underestimate the power of guerilla warfare...
    you can't be serious. the US government would wipe out groups of guerillas before you could say "unsung". 
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    dankind said:
    I was going to add farmers. I grew up on a farm, and we had guns to protect our livelihood. I probably learned how to shoot before I learned my ABCs.

    Also, criminals generally need guns in their line of work, too, since their opposition is armed.
    Yeah. 

    I carry a 45 camping or fishing anywhere in Montana when I go back. Even with one, there are places I’m still not tent camping. No way.  Bears are scarier than most criminals 

    I do not carry it to the grocery store or to a restaurant though.

    that’s the difference I guess between needing one and just wanting one 

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    and that's fine. you aren't taking an AR15 camping, right?
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    and that's fine. you aren't taking an AR15 camping, right?
    Nope. Unnecessary and unpractical 

    it’s just the I don’t see a need for “any guns” comments.  There are needs.

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,294
    Nope. Unnecessary and unpractical 

    it’s just the I don’t see a need for “any guns” comments.  There are needs.


    This is where I'm at. I'm not calling for an all out gun ban, there is middle ground here. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    I think there's very very few that are calling on a full out gun ban. sure, in a perfect world, no guns would be necessary. But I have no problem with "personal use" type guns; mandatory training, background checks, etc. an AR15 doesn't fall into that category for me. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    Jesus fucking Christ, 19 little kids.

    I don't even have words to describe my anger and disappointment in America.

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,859
    it’s not even worth debating this issue anymore! If the gun nutters won’t even approach the subject of the word BAN it’s dead in the water! 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,609
    it’s not even worth debating this issue anymore! If the gun nutters won’t even approach the subject of the word BAN it’s dead in the water! 
    They are the loudest but they are also in the great minority.  The main problem is NRA money and GOP congressmen/women
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,352

    This is where I'm at. I'm not calling for an all out gun ban, there is middle ground here. 


    Australia Canada and NZ don’t have camping or farming? Somehow they must and yet  figured out gun safety.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034


    Australia Canada and NZ don’t have camping or farming? Somehow they must and yet  figured out gun safety.
    Canadians have a lot of guns so yeah they have figured it out. 

    Assault weapons are illegal AFAIK 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    correct ^^^
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,044
    the main difference is we don't have a 250 year old piece of paper written by men in wigs and knickers guaranteeing our right to a musket, which is now interpreted as a right to a rambo weapon. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,867


    Australia Canada and NZ don’t have camping or farming? Somehow they must and yet  figured out gun safety.
    Yes, they banned weapons.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,146
    edited May 2022
    Bears 

    if you’ve ever been waist deep in a river fishing and a bear is standing on the bank staring at you, you’ll  know why.  

    That’s one reason.  There are a lot of others. You can get a shotgun license even in the UK if you are a farmer for foxes and stuff and they are about as strict on guns as anywhere 



    I've been on the other side of a small creek from a bear.  I had no gun, I'm still here.  I have a number of family members who live in Alaska, some for quite some time.  Not a one of them has ever had to shoot a bear or even used a gun to scare one off.  I've gone backpacking and been in the wilderness many times and I have known many people who have been in the wilderness even many more times than I have.  None of us has ever shot a bear or scared a bear off with a gun.  None, ever.  Sorry man, I stand by my words.
    I also believe there's no reason for us to be shooting any animals.  Even deer.  Stop killing their predators and infringing on habitat, and let nature create the balance.  The natural world is supremely expert at doing that.  

    Edit:  And how could I forget!  About six months ago, one night I heard a racket out on the deck in from of our house.  The noise came from a bear making a mess of things.  I just turned on a few lights outside and he left.  Others in the neighborhood have seen this bear.  No one has felt the need to shoot it.  If nothing is left out for them to eat, they go away. 
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  • vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,168
    Change gun laws.  If your politician won't act to do that, change them too.

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,693
    I’m not a gun nut, but I’ve never owned a gun where I provided any information  nor have I had a background check. They are all legal 

    I bought one in college from a buddy.  He is in customs and border protection today.  About every 5 years I get an an email that he is going through a background check and he wants to know if I still have the gun. 

    He knows who he sold it to, but he could have sold it to a random stranger 
    The fact that he sends you that email every few years makes me think he was supposed to go through a dealer and have you register it. Otherwise why would he care every time he’s getting a background check?
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    mace1229 said:
    The fact that he sends you that email every few years makes me think he was supposed to go through a dealer and have you register it. Otherwise why would he care every time he’s getting a background check?
    For sure you didn’t have to go through a dealer back then. Still don’t today. 

    Some government jobs want you to to account for guns you have purchased apparently. No idea why.  

    Montana doesn’t have any registration requirements minus a background check at a store if you buy from a store but not a private sale.  No registration, permit, or license 

    no waiting period either 


  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,693
    Parksy said:
    Question... without trying to sound like a doosh... it's a legit question 

    What will it take for you to no longer be a "2A Guy?"  And for my own understanding... what makes you a 2A guy? 
    What do you mean by “2A guy”? Do you mean stricter laws, or just owning guns in general?

    I see the same circle every time this comes up. Most gun owners are okay with, or even want stronger gun laws and common sense laws. But when we disagree with 1 thing people lose their mind. 

    We don’t need to ban AR15s. One, from my understanding, they aren’t used in all these mass shootings which they are usually reported to have been used. That list that was posted earlier isn’t accurate. So it’s not like banning 1 gun is going to solve much. AR15 has become a common term to basically refer to assault rifles. It’s like saying Kleenex when you need a tissue.

    Ive said before ban features. Ban high capacity magazines, or even detachable magazines. You can have an AR15, but with a fixed magazine of 5 rounds it poses a much smaller threat. But too often people want to ban a gun or features based off what it looks like and not the function.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,609
    mace1229 said:
    What do you mean by “2A guy”? Do you mean stricter laws, or just owning guns in general?

    I see the same circle every time this comes up. Most gun owners are okay with, or even want stronger gun laws and common sense laws. But when we disagree with 1 thing people lose their mind. 

    We don’t need to ban AR15s. One, from my understanding, they aren’t used in all these mass shootings which they are usually reported to have been used. That list that was posted earlier isn’t accurate. So it’s not like banning 1 gun is going to solve much. AR15 has become a common term to basically refer to assault rifles. It’s like saying Kleenex when you need a tissue.

    Ive said before ban features. Ban high capacity magazines, or even detachable magazines. You can have an AR15, but with a fixed magazine of 5 rounds it poses a much smaller threat. But too often people want to ban a gun or features based off what it looks like and not the function.
    Yeah we need to ban AR-15s....even the guy that invented them says so
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,609
    edited May 2022
    So the gunman shot at his grandma then fled by car....he wrecked the car somewhere near the school then entered the school.

    Not sure if his initial intent was to hit the school or not.....EDIT...turns out it was. He posted about it online apparently

    AR-15 was the weapon used
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    Yeah we need to ban AR-15s....even the guy that invented them says so
    Not AR-15’s.  Assault weapons. 

    There are a ton of AR-15 knockoffs.  Banning a model just means it’s tweaked soit’s different enough to get around a ban.

    these shooters are using cheap bushmasters mostly. Banning an AR-15 keeps those legal .  XM-15 is one 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,609
    Not AR-15’s.  Assault weapons. 

    There are a ton of AR-15 knockoffs.  Banning a model just means it’s tweaked soit’s different enough to get around a ban.

    these shooters are using cheap bushmasters mostly. Banning an AR-15 keeps those legal .  XM-15 is one 
    AR-15 = AR-15 and everything resembling one...do I really need to have all the details at this point? I certainly didn't mean ban all AR-15s but not look a likes
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    AR-15 = AR-15 and everything resembling one...do I really need to have all the details at this point? I certainly didn't mean ban all AR-15s but not look a likes
    I think the gun laws during Clinton administration stuff like that happened.  A specific model was restricted so it was changed to something else. 
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