America's Gun Violence #2

Cropduster-80 · May 2022

JojoRice said:

Interesting stat I read this morning.......since 1999, 70% of school shootings have been carried out by someone 18 years old or younger.

Makes sense given the venue. Mass shootings generally the average age is 33or 34. Can’t remember

mcgruff10 · May 2022

I just read that he drove his truck through the front door.

on another note, what hypocrites:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-place-wont-guns-wake-033544527.html

One place you won't find guns in the wake of the Texas school massacre? The NRA's upcoming leadership conference in Houston this week.

mace1229 · May 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am curious on how the kid got in the school? Schools are locked nowadays.

I read this earlier then dropped my kids off at school.

exterior gates are chained and doors locked. Your comment was on my mind so I thought how I could get in

If I had bolt cutters and a gun I could gain entry no problem. Unfortunately

Each school is different. Some have heavy doors with an electronic lock controlled by the front office. Some have chains like you describe. Some might not be locked at all but the entry passes through the front office. Unfortunately the front office won’t stop someone with a gun.

mace1229 · May 2022

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

Hobbes · May 2022

JojoRice said:

Interesting stat I read this morning.......since 1999, 70% of school shootings have been carried out by someone 18 years old or younger.

And 85% of those shooters brought their gun(s) from home or got them from a family member or friend.

Gern Blansten · May 2022

nicknyr15 said:

Depressing. So very depressing. The gun issue is too far gone. We will never change. Nothing happened after Sandy Hook and nothing will happen after this. Just another day. No body count at any age will ever be enough for anything to change. It’s disgraceful, embarrassing and nauseating. I can’t even fathom what those parents are going through. I just feel so hopeless regarding this issue.

Sandy Hook was almost 10 years ago....and still nothing

cincybearcat · May 2022

mcgruff10 said:

I just read that he drove his truck through the front door.

on another note, what hypocrites:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-place-wont-guns-wake-033544527.html
One place you won't find guns in the wake of the Texas school massacre? The NRA's upcoming leadership conference in Houston this week.

Thats strange, I read he drove it into a ditch near the school and the car became disabled. I wonder what is the truth. And if he did drive to a ditch....was it just unlucky that the elementary school was right there? Was he headed there anyhow? Where was he going if not there?

tempo_n_groove · May 2022

JojoRice said:

Interesting stat I read this morning.......since 1999, 70% of school shootings have been carried out by someone 18 years old or younger.

Why our kids want to do this to their piers is beyond me. That is the real problem. What the hell are we doing wrong that we fail these kids and they want to kill other kids?

Hobbes · May 2022

https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1529296898317860864?s=20&t=F_yNwlbhlAYmF02wAz6MLw

dankind · May 2022

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

Parksy · May 2022

Dear America,

It's time to start thinking that a man's 'freedom' to own and carry a gun should NOT come at the expense of a CHILD's freedom to go to school without fear. Full stop.

Cropduster-80 · May 2022

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I’m not a gun nut, but I’ve never owned a gun where I provided any information nor have I had a background check. They are all legal

I bought one in college from a buddy. He is in customs and border protection today. About every 5 years I get an an email that he is going through a background check and he wants to know if I still have the gun.

He knows who he sold it to, but he could have sold it to a random stranger

tempo_n_groove · May 2022

Gern Blansten said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I am curious on how the kid got in the school? Schools are locked nowadays.

I read this earlier then dropped my kids off at school.

exterior gates are chained and doors locked. Your comment was on my mind so I thought how I could get in

If I had bolt cutters and a gun I could gain entry no problem. Unfortunately

Yeah I'm not sure of the facts but someone with an assault rifle would just shoot the glass and walk in.

Kind of like how the first victim will be the security guard if the gun nuts think adding security guards helps.

As I was driving to work this morning I pass an elementary school. Ever since our shooting four years ago there has been a police car in front of the school (every school in our district) every morning. Today there as an officer walking the sidewalk in front of the school....I appreciate the show of force but again...they would just be the first victim.

Honestly our schools will need to be like prisons. No windows, steel doors, fences, etc.

Ask a kid what a school feels like and they'll say a prison already.

Besides emergency egress there has to be a way to funnel all people to one point in and out and have it secured. You can't go chain locking doors as that is a fire violation but at least make them alarmed so you'd know if someone came in or out where they weren't supposed to?

tempo_n_groove · May 2022

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

I did that in Florida when I lived there and thought that was nuts and I'm a 2A guy...

Parksy · May 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

I did that in Florida when I lived there and thought that was nuts and I'm a 2A guy...

Question... without trying to sound like a doosh... it's a legit question

What will it take for you to no longer be a "2A Guy?" And for my own understanding... what makes you a 2A guy?

JojoRice · May 2022

I'm a teacher (finishing up my 11th year this week) and my wife gets nervous every time something like this happens. I know 2 different people that have been a part of school shootings. What little bit they've told me about their experiences is not something that I'd wish on anyone.

I certainly don't have all the answers to all of these mass shootings that are going on but something does need to be done. At my school, we have 3 full time officers on campus at all times.

Gern Blansten · May 2022

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

I did that in Florida when I lived there and thought that was nuts and I'm a 2A guy...

We are all "2A guys"....the problem is how we define the 2nd amendment. An amendment which was based on weapons that took a minute to load a single round.

Claiming the 2A keeps us safe from tyranny is just moronic.

mace1229 · May 2022

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

What state is that?

tempo_n_groove · May 2022

Parksy said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

I did that in Florida when I lived there and thought that was nuts and I'm a 2A guy...

Question... without trying to sound like a doosh... it's a legit question

What will it take for you to no longer be a "2A Guy?" And for my own understanding... what makes you a 2A guy?

I won't ever stop being one but I'm also not a nutter either.

If you could, and I know we can't, come to some 50 state agreement on gun laws I would be all for it but you have too many people that want all or nothing on gun control. That works the other way too as the nutters don't want any more laws at all.

Cropduster-80 · May 2022

mace1229 said:

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

mace1229 said:

Cropduster-80 said:

Merkin Baller said:

What kind of country and citizenry allows this to continue to happen?

a country in which the supreme court didn’t even rule on an individuals right to own a gun until 2008

Yep, that’s true.if you actually read the second amendment it makes more sense as to why an individual right had never been recognised. I suspect a lot of pro gun people don’t actually read it though

the old west had more gun control than today. Blanket bans inside cities was common

an individual right to own a gun has been recognised for less time than a right to an abortion. Saying it’s set in stone or not open to revision isn’t true

That depends on how you define gun control. The gun laws back then more often applied to open or concealed carrying in public. But purchasing and tracking firearms was much more free. Today you don’t have to register a gun made before 1898, and pretty much any other laws that apply like a wait period. I always assumed that’s because that’s when they started keeping records, but I could be wrong.

A lot of those restrictions today, like waiting period, registration, background checks are bypassed by private sales or gun shows

so basically laws already in place that have pretty broad agreement have loopholes so large it renders the laws pointless

if I’m a crazy person who would get flagged in a background check, illl just go to a gun show instead

I didn’t even know that gunshow loophole was a thing because all the states I’ve lived in have the same requirements at a gunshow or private party saw as a gun store would.
I think the number of states with that loophole is getting smaller.

I could go to a flea market this weekend and come back with an arsenal without ever even showing anyone my ID.

What state is that?

Most of them

it’s like 12 states that require. Your state is one of them

America's Gun Violence #2

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One place you won't find guns in the wake of the Texas school massacre? The NRA's upcoming leadership conference in Houston this week.

One place you won't find guns in the wake of the Texas school massacre? The NRA's upcoming leadership conference in Houston this week.

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