Finland and Sweden join NATO

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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    dudeman said:
    So, is it definitive that both Finland and Sweden will become members of NATO?
    No. AFAIK it requires unanimous support from existing members. Turkey who happens to be a founding member of NATO has been making some noise on the issue.

    Hungary would also be a wild card.

    leaving them hanging though won’t end well as Russia will be free to retaliate without having to deal with NATO. Finland/ Sweden  armies are no joke though 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited May 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:
    dudeman said:
    So, is it definitive that both Finland and Sweden will become members of NATO?
    No. AFAIK it requires unanimous support from existing members. Turkey who happens to be a founding member of NATO has been making some noise on the issue.
    Yeah. A bitch that Sweden recognizes the Kurds. 

    I ALWAYS KNEW THAT WOULD BITE US IN THE ASS.

    In other news, the biggest party in Sweden The Social Democrats is now openly for a NATO membership. So that means we will join.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    looks like the fins and the swedes called putin's bluff and won this hand. 

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-16-22/h_ea85b6de4dbff7fae17f482f88c91cf6
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    looks like the fins and the swedes called putin's bluff and won this hand. 

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-16-22/h_ea85b6de4dbff7fae17f482f88c91cf6
    yup.

    Complete botch job by Putin who has been pretty remarkable in getting his/Russia's way over the years with the threat of force.

    Now the word is out on that small dick and his paper tiger military and the world is onto them. 

    Finland and Sweden in nato is a major disaster for putin.

    Lots of indications he is in very poor health.  

    Polonium sandwich is probably heading his way sooner rather than later
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    looks like the fins and the swedes called putin's bluff and won this hand. 

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-16-22/h_ea85b6de4dbff7fae17f482f88c91cf6
    Or he already knew something we didn’t 

    Turkey just came out against. It’s going to be tough to meet their demands as I highly doubt they are going to just hand over whatever Kurds living there Turkey wants 

    Putin doesn’t have to do anything, just sit back and watch NATO countries fight. If they get approved I’m betting his tone changes 


    If sanctioning Turkey is a disqualifying factor for being in NATO….well I guess the US is in trouble with them too😂

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    Turkey wants Sweden to hand over 33 individuals they regard as terrorists. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    being the most recent thread on NATO  am putting this here....
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    one step closer...

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    gift article


    Trump said he might ignore NATO’s duty to defend. Here’s what the group does.
     By Ben Brasch, Miriam Berger, Claire Parker and Sammy Westfall February 11, 2024 at 11:37 ET 

    Former president Donald Trump said Saturday that he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to NATO member countries that, in his opinion, don’t spend enough to defend themselves. 

    Trump, the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, has long criticized the alliance, including in 2018, when as president he voiced concern that using NATO troops to defend tiny Monte­negro could start World War III. Critics say Trump’s comments fly in the face of why NATO was formed in the first place. 

    What is NATO? 
    The United States was a driving force behind the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s 1949 formation. In the wake of World War II, the alliance was designed to bolster security in Western Europe among countries worried about Soviet advances. It has grown from its initial 12 countries to 31. 

    The alliance rests on the principle of collective defense, meaning an attack on one member is an attack on all. Although NATO does not have its own armed forces, it maintains an integrated military command structure that includes all member states. 
    NATO’s top defense officials have been American, while the secretary general is usually a senior European political figure. 

    Who pays for all this? 
    NATO members’ defense ministers in 2006 agreed that each country would contribute about 2 percent of their gross domestic product to fund the alliance. In practice, that means spending from non-U.S. allies combined is almost equal to that of the United States. The United States contributed $860 billion, 3.49 percent of its GDP, in 2023, according to NATO estimates. 
    What roles does the United States play? 
    According to NATO, the United States also provides intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refueling; ballistic missile defense; and airborne electromagnetic equipment.

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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    edited February 2024
    remove the parenthesis.  SWEDEN NOW A MEMBER......

    Next up Ukraine!!!!!

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    remove the parenthesis.  SWEDEN NOW A MEMBER......

    Next up Ukraine!!!!!


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    mickeyrat said:
    remove the parenthesis.  SWEDEN NOW A MEMBER......

    Next up Ukraine!!!!!

    i haven't been following. how can ukraine get in in the middle of an actual war? wouldn't all the rest of the nato states have to defend ukraine and start a world war?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    remove the parenthesis.  SWEDEN NOW A MEMBER......

    Next up Ukraine!!!!!

    i haven't been following. how can ukraine get in in the middle of an actual war? wouldn't all the rest of the nato states have to defend ukraine and start a world war?

    head of the EU said they are next. when that occurs of course is contingent on successful conclusion of the war.

    rhetoric to be sure, but it sends a very strong signal....
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    Not having a referendum about this complete change in defense policy though, will always be a stain on the process and Swedish politicians. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Not having a referendum about this complete change in defense policy though, will always be a stain on the process and Swedish politicians. 

    given the actions of Russia in the last 20 years, in Georgia, Chechnya, now Ukraine and likely the Baltics next, do you feel it was the right move? Referendum aside.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Not having a referendum about this complete change in defense policy though, will always be a stain on the process and Swedish politicians. 

    given the actions of Russia in the last 20 years, in Georgia, Chechnya, now Ukraine and likely the Baltics next, do you feel it was the right move? Referendum aside.
    Not sure how I feel
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Not having a referendum about this complete change in defense policy though, will always be a stain on the process and Swedish politicians. 

    given the actions of Russia in the last 20 years, in Georgia, Chechnya, now Ukraine and likely the Baltics next, do you feel it was the right move? Referendum aside.
    Not sure how I feel

    well, I'm interested to know if/when you reach a decision...
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    done and IN....

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