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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 623
    What’s going to happen when or if any of the Astro’s cheaters become eligible?
    will they be considered or will what they did be given a pass?
    granted, it was only for a certain period of time, but did it tarnish baseball’s reputation enough?
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,515
    erebus said:
    What’s going to happen when or if any of the Astro’s cheaters become eligible?
    will they be considered or will what they did be given a pass?
    granted, it was only for a certain period of time, but did it tarnish baseball’s reputation enough?

    it will probably hurt them to a point but I doubt it will ultimately factor in.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,515
    a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea. :triumph:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    Wobbie said:
    a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea. :triumph:
    He'd probably still hit a HR.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,884
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
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    MayDay10 said:
     

    At this point though, there absolutely are roiders in the hall of fame.  They just didnt get caught or implicated.  I think Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling should be in at this point, but I do think they should somehow strip the HR records from Bonds (and McGuire) (and Sosa).  Aaron and Maris should still be the official HR record holders.  I think that is why I hate Bonds the most (and hated the other 2).  Basically cheapened those hallowed records.





    Bonds - , faced 'roided pitchers, 
    Wow, talk about the weakest, most raaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day, homer defense of Bonds anyone could possibly come up with
    how is that a “homer” defense? Bonds and others were facing pitchers the likes of which ruth, maris, etc. never saw. Aaron faced great pitchers but he saw them over and over and they weren’t throwing 100+ mph. Do you realize how fast you have to react to 100 mph?
    Because you said the pitchers were "roided up" when Barry is the poster child (a very large poster to fit that enormous head) for steroids in baseball.
    Barry was at a disadvantage because he faced pitchers that took steroids? I'd say that his steroid use more than nullified that disadvantage. Only the most ardent of Bonds apologists would use pitchers on steroids to make his case for induction.
    To me, Bonds' case is so egregious.  He took chemicals to literally turn himself into a mutant.  Then he shattered a few of the best records.

    I have no love for Ortiz either.  He reeks of a 1-tool slugger who probably took steroids the whole time.  

    But I cant answer where to set the line and stop the line.  Nobody can.  There is no line since MLB stupidly ignored this problem for so long.  These neckbeard writers probably shouldnt be able to decide.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
    MayDay10 said:
     

    At this point though, there absolutely are roiders in the hall of fame.  They just didnt get caught or implicated.  I think Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling should be in at this point, but I do think they should somehow strip the HR records from Bonds (and McGuire) (and Sosa).  Aaron and Maris should still be the official HR record holders.  I think that is why I hate Bonds the most (and hated the other 2).  Basically cheapened those hallowed records.





    Bonds - , faced 'roided pitchers, 
    Wow, talk about the weakest, most raaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day, homer defense of Bonds anyone could possibly come up with
    how is that a “homer” defense? Bonds and others were facing pitchers the likes of which ruth, maris, etc. never saw. Aaron faced great pitchers but he saw them over and over and they weren’t throwing 100+ mph. Do you realize how fast you have to react to 100 mph?
    Because you said the pitchers were "roided up" when Barry is the poster child (a very large poster to fit that enormous head) for steroids in baseball.
    Barry was at a disadvantage because he faced pitchers that took steroids? I'd say that his steroid use more than nullified that disadvantage. Only the most ardent of Bonds apologists would use pitchers on steroids to make his case for induction.
    To me, Bonds' case is so egregious.  He took chemicals to literally turn himself into a mutant.  Then he shattered a few of the best records.

    I have no love for Ortiz either.  He reeks of a 1-tool slugger who probably took steroids the whole time.  

    But I cant answer where to set the line and stop the line.  Nobody can.  There is no line since MLB stupidly ignored this problem for so long.  These neckbeard writers probably shouldnt be able to decide.  
    Say what you will about Arod and Bonds, they were the best hitters I ever saw besides Pujols.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,012
    tempo_n_groove said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
    MayDay10 said:
     

    At this point though, there absolutely are roiders in the hall of fame.  They just didnt get caught or implicated.  I think Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling should be in at this point, but I do think they should somehow strip the HR records from Bonds (and McGuire) (and Sosa).  Aaron and Maris should still be the official HR record holders.  I think that is why I hate Bonds the most (and hated the other 2).  Basically cheapened those hallowed records.





    Bonds - , faced 'roided pitchers, 
    Wow, talk about the weakest, most raaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day, homer defense of Bonds anyone could possibly come up with
    how is that a “homer” defense? Bonds and others were facing pitchers the likes of which ruth, maris, etc. never saw. Aaron faced great pitchers but he saw them over and over and they weren’t throwing 100+ mph. Do you realize how fast you have to react to 100 mph?
    Because you said the pitchers were "roided up" when Barry is the poster child (a very large poster to fit that enormous head) for steroids in baseball.
    Barry was at a disadvantage because he faced pitchers that took steroids? I'd say that his steroid use more than nullified that disadvantage. Only the most ardent of Bonds apologists would use pitchers on steroids to make his case for induction.
    To me, Bonds' case is so egregious.  He took chemicals to literally turn himself into a mutant.  Then he shattered a few of the best records.

    I have no love for Ortiz either.  He reeks of a 1-tool slugger who probably took steroids the whole time.  

    But I cant answer where to set the line and stop the line.  Nobody can.  There is no line since MLB stupidly ignored this problem for so long.  These neckbeard writers probably shouldnt be able to decide.  
    Say what you will about Arod and Bonds, they were the best hitters I ever saw besides Pujols.
    You gotta throw Ken Griffey Jr. in there too.

    Bonds and Arod were great, but Bonds was WAY, WAY greater. Obviously Bonds wins out on HRs and slugging percentage and all that, but I've always felt this strikeout/walk comparison was a good way to show how much better Bonds was than Arod....

    Bonds career plate appearances: 12,606
    Arod career plate appearances:  10,566

    Bonds career strikeouts: 1539
    Arod career strikeouts: 2287 (5th most all-time)

    Bonds career walks: 2558 (Most all-time)
    Arod career walks: 1338 
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,974
    edited January 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    I mean, how is a guy like Matt Cain even on the ballot? Career 104-118 WL. Or R. A. Dickey with a120-118 career WL with a 4.04 ERA, if either gets one vote that person should be stripped of their voting privileges. Just silly.
    What are we even doing here? A career losing record is worthy of consideration for the Hall of Fame?
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,737
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    I mean, how is a guy like Matt Cain even on the ballot? Career 104-118 WL. Or R. A. Dickey with a120-118 career WL with a 4.04 ERA, if either gets one vote that person should be stripped of their voting privileges. Just silly.
    What are we even doing here? A career losing record is worthy of consideration for the Hall of Fame?
    These players have the required minimum service to be on the ballot.  Jarod Weaver and Krod are barely Halos HOFers let alone MLB HOFers, lol!
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
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    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GG 
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,737
    edited January 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes? 
    All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
    Post edited by igotid88 on
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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,304
    Wobbie said:
    a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea. :triumph:
    It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF  Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GG 
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes? 
    All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
    Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans.  WAR yes, hits and HR no.

    I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in.  Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,732
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GG 
    Hall of Good numbers...
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited January 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GG 
    Hall of Good numbers...
    All I’m saying is as about as good as it gets for non HoF.
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    tempo_n_groove said:
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GG 
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    Beltran is close
    No he's not.  never led the majors in one category.  No MVP's.  No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.

    Hall of good if he gets in.
    I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes? 
    All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
    Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans.  WAR yes, hits and HR no.

    I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in.  Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.
    Rolen and Edmonds both deserve more respect when it comes to HoF consideration.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,515
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
    FOX Sports MLB on Twitter quotHere are some potential newcomers for the 2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot httpstcoJm8JhNV1l0quot Twitter
    that bunch is definitely underwhelming……except for maybe beltran.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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