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What’s going to happen when or if any of the Astro’s cheaters become eligible?
will they be considered or will what they did be given a pass?
granted, it was only for a certain period of time, but did it tarnish baseball’s reputation enough?1996: Toronto
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erebus said:What’s going to happen when or if any of the Astro’s cheaters become eligible?
will they be considered or will what they did be given a pass?
granted, it was only for a certain period of time, but did it tarnish baseball’s reputation enough?
it will probably hurt them to a point but I doubt it will ultimately factor in.
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a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.
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He'd probably still hit a HR.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.0 -
To me, Bonds' case is so egregious. He took chemicals to literally turn himself into a mutant. Then he shattered a few of the best records.Poncier said:
Because you said the pitchers were "roided up" when Barry is the poster child (a very large poster to fit that enormous head) for steroids in baseball.Wobbie said:
how is that a “homer” defense? Bonds and others were facing pitchers the likes of which ruth, maris, etc. never saw. Aaron faced great pitchers but he saw them over and over and they weren’t throwing 100+ mph. Do you realize how fast you have to react to 100 mph?Poncier said:
Wow, talk about the weakest, most raaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day, homer defense of Bonds anyone could possibly come up withWobbie said:MayDay10 said:
At this point though, there absolutely are roiders in the hall of fame. They just didnt get caught or implicated. I think Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling should be in at this point, but I do think they should somehow strip the HR records from Bonds (and McGuire) (and Sosa). Aaron and Maris should still be the official HR record holders. I think that is why I hate Bonds the most (and hated the other 2). Basically cheapened those hallowed records.Bonds - , faced 'roided pitchers,
Barry was at a disadvantage because he faced pitchers that took steroids? I'd say that his steroid use more than nullified that disadvantage. Only the most ardent of Bonds apologists would use pitchers on steroids to make his case for induction.
I have no love for Ortiz either. He reeks of a 1-tool slugger who probably took steroids the whole time.
But I cant answer where to set the line and stop the line. Nobody can. There is no line since MLB stupidly ignored this problem for so long. These neckbeard writers probably shouldnt be able to decide.0 -
Say what you will about Arod and Bonds, they were the best hitters I ever saw besides Pujols.MayDay10 said:
To me, Bonds' case is so egregious. He took chemicals to literally turn himself into a mutant. Then he shattered a few of the best records.Poncier said:
Because you said the pitchers were "roided up" when Barry is the poster child (a very large poster to fit that enormous head) for steroids in baseball.Wobbie said:
how is that a “homer” defense? Bonds and others were facing pitchers the likes of which ruth, maris, etc. never saw. Aaron faced great pitchers but he saw them over and over and they weren’t throwing 100+ mph. Do you realize how fast you have to react to 100 mph?Poncier said:
Wow, talk about the weakest, most raaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day, homer defense of Bonds anyone could possibly come up withWobbie said:MayDay10 said:
At this point though, there absolutely are roiders in the hall of fame. They just didnt get caught or implicated. I think Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling should be in at this point, but I do think they should somehow strip the HR records from Bonds (and McGuire) (and Sosa). Aaron and Maris should still be the official HR record holders. I think that is why I hate Bonds the most (and hated the other 2). Basically cheapened those hallowed records.Bonds - , faced 'roided pitchers,
Barry was at a disadvantage because he faced pitchers that took steroids? I'd say that his steroid use more than nullified that disadvantage. Only the most ardent of Bonds apologists would use pitchers on steroids to make his case for induction.
I have no love for Ortiz either. He reeks of a 1-tool slugger who probably took steroids the whole time.
But I cant answer where to set the line and stop the line. Nobody can. There is no line since MLB stupidly ignored this problem for so long. These neckbeard writers probably shouldnt be able to decide.0 -
Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
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You gotta throw Ken Griffey Jr. in there too.tempo_n_groove said:
Say what you will about Arod and Bonds, they were the best hitters I ever saw besides Pujols.MayDay10 said:
To me, Bonds' case is so egregious. He took chemicals to literally turn himself into a mutant. Then he shattered a few of the best records.Poncier said:
Because you said the pitchers were "roided up" when Barry is the poster child (a very large poster to fit that enormous head) for steroids in baseball.Wobbie said:
how is that a “homer” defense? Bonds and others were facing pitchers the likes of which ruth, maris, etc. never saw. Aaron faced great pitchers but he saw them over and over and they weren’t throwing 100+ mph. Do you realize how fast you have to react to 100 mph?Poncier said:
Wow, talk about the weakest, most raaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day, homer defense of Bonds anyone could possibly come up withWobbie said:MayDay10 said:
At this point though, there absolutely are roiders in the hall of fame. They just didnt get caught or implicated. I think Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling should be in at this point, but I do think they should somehow strip the HR records from Bonds (and McGuire) (and Sosa). Aaron and Maris should still be the official HR record holders. I think that is why I hate Bonds the most (and hated the other 2). Basically cheapened those hallowed records.Bonds - , faced 'roided pitchers,
Barry was at a disadvantage because he faced pitchers that took steroids? I'd say that his steroid use more than nullified that disadvantage. Only the most ardent of Bonds apologists would use pitchers on steroids to make his case for induction.
I have no love for Ortiz either. He reeks of a 1-tool slugger who probably took steroids the whole time.
But I cant answer where to set the line and stop the line. Nobody can. There is no line since MLB stupidly ignored this problem for so long. These neckbeard writers probably shouldnt be able to decide.
Bonds and Arod were great, but Bonds was WAY, WAY greater. Obviously Bonds wins out on HRs and slugging percentage and all that, but I've always felt this strikeout/walk comparison was a good way to show how much better Bonds was than Arod....
Bonds career plate appearances: 12,606
Arod career plate appearances: 10,566
Bonds career strikeouts: 1539
Arod career strikeouts: 2287 (5th most all-time)
Bonds career walks: 2558 (Most all-time)
Arod career walks: 1338
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I mean, how is a guy like Matt Cain even on the ballot? Career 104-118 WL. Or R. A. Dickey with a120-118 career WL with a 4.04 ERA, if either gets one vote that person should be stripped of their voting privileges. Just silly.tempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
What are we even doing here? A career losing record is worthy of consideration for the Hall of Fame?This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...I miss igotid880 -
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.0 -
These players have the required minimum service to be on the ballot. Jarod Weaver and Krod are barely Halos HOFers let alone MLB HOFers, lol!Poncier said:
I mean, how is a guy like Matt Cain even on the ballot? Career 104-118 WL. Or R. A. Dickey with a120-118 career WL with a 4.04 ERA, if either gets one vote that person should be stripped of their voting privileges. Just silly.tempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
What are we even doing here? A career losing record is worthy of consideration for the Hall of Fame?0 -
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.0 -
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.Post edited by igotid88 onI miss igotid880 -
It was BS that the HOF reduced the limit to 10 years from 15 years on the Ballot. They knew the new young voters were, mostly voting for players like Bonds , Clemens, etc. and probably would've been elected within the next 5 years the way their votes were going up. I think EVERY player that was already on the HOF Ballot should've been grand-fathered in and be allowed to be on the Ballot for 15 years, and the players who were eligible for the HOF Ballot when they put the rule in(2014?) would be only allowed 10 years.Wobbie said:a writer suggested the giants bring bonds back for a day in order to restart his HOF clock. I like that idea.0 -
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I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.0 -
Hall of Good numbers...DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.0 -
All I’m saying is as about as good as it gets for non HoF.tempo_n_groove said:
Hall of Good numbers...DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.Post edited by DewieCox on0 -
Rolen and Edmonds both deserve more respect when it comes to HoF consideration.tempo_n_groove said:DewieCox said:
I’d say he’s pretty close. 430hr and 2700 hits, hit well in the postseason, 3 GGtempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
Rolen had a way better defensive career, ROY and his stats are no where near Beltrans. WAR yes, hits and HR no.igotid88 said:
I said close. not a lock. There are players with similar numbers. But I doubt he get more than 25%. And it's not that far off from Scott Rolen and he got 63% of the vote. And how does Mark Teixeira barely get any votes?tempo_n_groove said:
No he's not. never led the majors in one category. No MVP's. No 3000 hits, nor 500 HR.igotid88 said:
Beltran is closetempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...
Hall of good if he gets in.
All of these guys on that photo probably are off the ballot in their first year.
I would pick Rolen over him for the defense but he doesn't get in. Another player that has never led the league in any offensive category.0 -
that bunch is definitely underwhelming……except for maybe beltran.tempo_n_groove said:Here comes another year where nobody should get in...If I had known then what I know now...
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