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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    MayDay10 said:
    ^
    Wow, lester had 1117 losses
    ALL-time leader.  He has more than Cy Young!
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,885
    MayDay10 said:
    ^
    Wow, lester had 1117 losses
    Ha, excellent typo (also last 4 of my cell number so maybe a subconscious typo). I'm not editing it.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    Baseball is the last sport to put you in the hall for championships won. Lester was consistently very good, and probably very much indeed the best FA signing of the Cubs. But is no way a hall of famer.

    BA's JAWS score is my go-to:

    Hall of Fame Statistics

     
      Black Ink
        Pitching - 8 (383), Average HOFer ≈ 40
      Gray Ink
        Pitching - 148 (119), Average HOFer ≈ 185
      Hall of Fame Monitor
        Pitching - 98 (105), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
      Hall of Fame Standards
        Pitching - 40 (78), Average HOFer ≈ 50
      JAWS
        Starting Pitcher (149th):
          44.2 career WAR | 34.6 7yr-peak WAR | 39.4 JAWS | 39.4 S-JAWS | 3.3 WAR/162
        Average HOF P (out of 66):
          73.0 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.4 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162
    • MayDay10
      MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
      edited January 2022
      What somewhat-contemporary pitchers are probably going to the Hall?

      Kershaw
      Mad Bum
      Verlander
      Scherzer
      Greinke? Kluber? Sabathia? Sale?  Then what?

      They are going to have to induct somebody


    • mfc2006
      mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
      Not sure about Lester...great pitcher for sure. He may get in towards the end of his eligibility, though.
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    • Jearlpam0925
      Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
      Kershaw, Verlander, Grienke, Scherzer are all HOF imo of the guys playing right now.
    • Wobbie
      Wobbie Posts: 31,273
      MayDay10 said:
      What somewhat-contemporary pitchers are probably going to the Hall?

      Kershaw
      Mad Bum
      Verlander
      Scherzer
      Greinke? Kluber? Sabathia? Sale?  Then what?

      They are going to have to induct somebody



      kershaw (dammit!), verlander, scherzer and, I guess, greinke. maybe sabbathia. without looking at the numbers, I don't think sale.
      If I had known then what I know now...

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    • Cliffy6745
      Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
      I don’t know if CC should get in, but he will
    • DewieCox
      DewieCox Posts: 11,432
      I think MadBum’s postseason performance gives him the edge over most other borderline guys. Elevated numbers and probably the best of this generation. Win total could drag him down.
    • Jearlpam0925
      Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
      I think Bumgarner and Lester are both on the outside looking in, but MadBum is closer than Lester imo because he has the next 6, 7, 8 years to change that.
    • Wobbie
      Wobbie Posts: 31,273
      Jearlpam0925 said:
      I think Bumgarner and Lester are both on the outside looking in, but MadBum is closer than Lester imo because he has the next 6, 7, 8 years to change that.
      yeah, except for right now he kinda sucks.
      If I had known then what I know now...

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    • Jearlpam0925
      Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
      Wobbie said:
      Jearlpam0925 said:
      I think Bumgarner and Lester are both on the outside looking in, but MadBum is closer than Lester imo because he has the next 6, 7, 8 years to change that.
      yeah, except for right now he kinda sucks.
      No doubt. Hopefully he can turn it around.

      But at the end of the day I think the first ballot guys are: Kershaw, Verlander, Kershaw, Grienke. Also, I guess Grienke goes in as a Royal and Scherzer as a Nat? Talk about two dominant guys that have spent close to half their time as journeymen (using that term very, very loosely).

      Now to some hot takes: Jimmy Rollins should be a HOFer, full stop.
    • mfc2006
      mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
      Jearlpam0925 said:
      Wobbie said:
      Jearlpam0925 said:
      I think Bumgarner and Lester are both on the outside looking in, but MadBum is closer than Lester imo because he has the next 6, 7, 8 years to change that.
      yeah, except for right now he kinda sucks.
      No doubt. Hopefully he can turn it around.

      But at the end of the day I think the first ballot guys are: Kershaw, Verlander, Kershaw, Grienke. Also, I guess Grienke goes in as a Royal and Scherzer as a Nat? Talk about two dominant guys that have spent close to half their time as journeymen (using that term very, very loosely).

      Now to some hot takes: Jimmy Rollins should be a HOFer, full stop.
      I think Grienke will go in as a Royal or Dback, Max will definitely go in as a Nat. Verlander (even though I'm an Astros fan, as you all know) should go in as a Tiger.
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    • igotid88
      igotid88 Posts: 28,629
      The Hall of Fame is finally letting steroid users in knowingly. David Ortiz is the only one voted in this year
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    • Cliffy6745
      Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
      Wonder if Ortiz will announce at his induction ceremony that he found the people responsible for him testing positive.

      What a joke.
    • Wobbie
      Wobbie Posts: 31,273
      igotid88 said:
      The Hall of Fame is finally letting steroid users in knowingly. David Ortiz is the only one voted in this year
      they already did it with pudge, bagwell and piazza.
      If I had known then what I know now...

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    • Wobbie
      Wobbie Posts: 31,273
      Cliffy6745 said:
      Wonder if Ortiz will announce at his induction ceremony that he found the people responsible for him testing positive.

      What a joke.
      What a joke, is right.

      1 out of every 3 voters is a self righteous hypocrite. Sloppi was good but he’s a one tool DH, for god’s sake! :angry:
      If I had known then what I know now...

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      Vancouver 11
      Missoula 12
      Portland 13, Spokane 13
      St. Paul 14, Denver 14
      Philly I & II, 16
      Denver 22
      Missoula 24
    • igotid88
      igotid88 Posts: 28,629
      Wobbie said:
      igotid88 said:
      The Hall of Fame is finally letting steroid users in knowingly. David Ortiz is the only one voted in this year
      they already did it with pudge, bagwell and piazza.
      That failed a test I mean. Those guys were "assumed" or "suspected". 
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    • Ledbetterman10
      Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
      Ortiz but not Bonds or Clemons. What a joke. 
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    • Wobbie
      Wobbie Posts: 31,273
      I just wonder how the “suspecteds” would have held up to two years of a dedicated newspaper probe and a $75 million federal/local investigation.
      If I had known then what I know now...

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      Missoula 12
      Portland 13, Spokane 13
      St. Paul 14, Denver 14
      Philly I & II, 16
      Denver 22
      Missoula 24

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