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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Tebow was a victim of circumstance and his own stupidity....

    Circumstance: We can make fun of his stupid throwing motion and terrible stats, but the fact of the matter is he was a 1st round pick that led his team to the playoffs and he played a great game in beating the Steelers. In every other occurrence of that scenario, he gets another shot the following year (even if Elway wasn't in favor of it). BUT...unfortunately for him, Peyton Manning became a free agent and got to pick his new team, and he picked the Broncos.

    His own stupidity: Elway said he'd trade Tebow wherever he wants to go (assuming the team would want him). He should've chosen the Jaguars. He'd be close to where he went to college. The Jags sucked so there'd be no pressure. He'd sell some jerseys and be a good team leader. He's probably suck in the long run, but that's okay. He'd have a few years there under his belt, and might even still be a valuable backup QB to this day. 

    BUT NOPE, he chose the Rex Ryan Jets, presumably to be in a big market. And it didn't take long for Rex to see the media attention he was getting wasn't worth the trouble because he wasn't good enough a player to warrant it (ESPN First Take was showing up at their training camps to cover Tebow vs. Sanchez). Really, it's the same reason Kaepernick isn't in the league anymore. If you think it's because he kneeled, you're wrong. Patrick Mahomes could take shit on the American flag at the 50-yard-line and he'd be in KC's starting line up the next week. But when you're just a backup, and you're getting loads and loads of media attention that's distracting from the task at hand, you're expendable, as Tebow and Kaepernick learned. 

    There is no fucking way you can compare Tim Tebow's inability to stay in the league to Colin Kaepernick's exile from the league.  Colin Kaepernick was more than capable of holding down at worst a backup QB roster spot in 2018, and was arguably a better option than several starting jobs that were held down.  It didn't matter that Peyton Manning was a free agent that next offseason.  If he starts for Denver that following season, I have no doubt he would have played his way to the bench.  In fact he probably doesn't get named the starter out of preseason.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Glorified KC said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Tebow was a victim of circumstance and his own stupidity....

    Circumstance: We can make fun of his stupid throwing motion and terrible stats, but the fact of the matter is he was a 1st round pick that led his team to the playoffs and he played a great game in beating the Steelers. In every other occurrence of that scenario, he gets another shot the following year (even if Elway wasn't in favor of it). BUT...unfortunately for him, Peyton Manning became a free agent and got to pick his new team, and he picked the Broncos.

    His own stupidity: Elway said he'd trade Tebow wherever he wants to go (assuming the team would want him). He should've chosen the Jaguars. He'd be close to where he went to college. The Jags sucked so there'd be no pressure. He'd sell some jerseys and be a good team leader. He's probably suck in the long run, but that's okay. He'd have a few years there under his belt, and might even still be a valuable backup QB to this day. 

    BUT NOPE, he chose the Rex Ryan Jets, presumably to be in a big market. And it didn't take long for Rex to see the media attention he was getting wasn't worth the trouble because he wasn't good enough a player to warrant it (ESPN First Take was showing up at their training camps to cover Tebow vs. Sanchez). Really, it's the same reason Kaepernick isn't in the league anymore. If you think it's because he kneeled, you're wrong. Patrick Mahomes could take shit on the American flag at the 50-yard-line and he'd be in KC's starting line up the next week. But when you're just a backup, and you're getting loads and loads of media attention that's distracting from the task at hand, you're expendable, as Tebow and Kaepernick learned. 

    There is no fucking way you can compare Tim Tebow's inability to stay in the league to Colin Kaepernick's exile from the league.  Colin Kaepernick was more than capable of holding down at worst a backup QB roster spot in 2018, and was arguably a better option than several starting jobs that were held down.  It didn't matter that Peyton Manning was a free agent that next offseason.  If he starts for Denver that following season, I have no doubt he would have played his way to the bench.  In fact he probably doesn't get named the starter out of preseason.
    Sure there is. For example, I just compared Tebow's inability to stay in the league to Kaepernick's "exile" from the league. 

    And shouldn't Kaepernick want to be out of the league? His propaganda piece on Netflix compared being in the NFL to slavery. Being "exiled" isn't as bad as being a slave right? 

    Either way, there's more than enough interesting football stuff happening as we near the end of the regular season to bother wasting time on these two has-beens. 
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Good D, good o-line, good receiving corp, good kicking game. Several that would become household names. QB was their weakest link and had much less the do with the turnaround than the crazy soft schedule. They got thrashed by every decent team they played.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    Tebow was not an NFL caliber passer, plain and simple.
    Great college QB, but no shot at sustained success in the NFL.
    I remember the game vs the Pats the week after his Broncos beat the Steelers in the playoffs...it was a mauling. Tebow was 9 for 26. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited December 2021
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    I think Kaepernick's distraction was the fault of the former president who politicized him kneeling for his own political gain. It was hardly a story until Trump decided to use it as a wedge to divide us further. 

    Tebow has himself to blame for whatever distraction he was. 

    If Mike Vick was able to rehabilitate his career Kaepernick should've been given the chance as well. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    Tebow really played only 1 year as a starter, 2011.  The two other years are piece mealed.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    Tebow really played only 1 year as a starter, 2011.  The two other years are piece mealed.
    So, advantage Kaepernick then. lol
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    OK, if ANYONE followed the Jets at all they would know that Rex liked to be the center of attention and also ruined Mark Sanchez' career.  They gave him no help, when he was down he would not say who the starting quarter back was week in and week out.  Ruined his self esteem.  He got that stupid tattoo to show his love for Sanchez but never really showed it.

    Tebow choosing to go to NY like someone mentioned though was absolutely stupid.  He was going into a losing situation right off the bat.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    OK, if ANYONE followed the Jets at all they would know that Rex liked to be the center of attention and also ruined Mark Sanchez' career.  They gave him no help, when he was down he would not say who the starting quarter back was week in and week out.  Ruined his self esteem.  He got that stupid tattoo to show his love for Sanchez but never really showed it.

    Tebow choosing to go to NY like someone mentioned though was absolutely stupid.  He was going into a losing situation right off the bat.
    Yeah Rex sucked. Sanchez's first two seasons was like a poor man's Ben Roethlisberger's first two seasons. Both had good run games and defenses, and had similar success.

    1st seasons: Steelers 15-1, AFC championship loss; Jets 9-7, AFC Championship loss
    2nd seasons: Steelers 11-5; Super Bowl Champs; Jets 11-5, AFC Championship loss

    Pretty similar. The difference though is Bill Cowher vs. Rex Ryan. After Ben's first season, do you recall Cowher getting a Ben tattoo, saying he wants a bullseye on his team's back, and saying he's not here to kiss Belichick's rings? No, of course not. That's why Sanchez's career went downward, and that's why Tebow was stupid to want to go there. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Probably my favorite part of the Madden doc....this hilarious quote about how coaches go from their best class in school being recess, to "genius" after they win some football games. 


    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Tim Tebow sucked …


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Whatever happened to Tebow?  Is he still playing baseball?  Has he started a ministry, TV ministry?  Maybe he’s in Haiti 🇭🇹 rebuilding the country…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    Meltdown99 said:
    Whatever happened to Tebow?  Is he still playing baseball?  Has he started a ministry, TV ministry?  Maybe he’s in Haiti 🇭🇹 rebuilding the country…
    It must always rain where you are to be this miserable about everything all the time...

    He retired from beisbol and will be back in the booth commentating where he does a good job.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    OK, if ANYONE followed the Jets at all they would know that Rex liked to be the center of attention and also ruined Mark Sanchez' career.  They gave him no help, when he was down he would not say who the starting quarter back was week in and week out.  Ruined his self esteem.  He got that stupid tattoo to show his love for Sanchez but never really showed it.

    Tebow choosing to go to NY like someone mentioned though was absolutely stupid.  He was going into a losing situation right off the bat.
    Yeah Rex sucked. Sanchez's first two seasons was like a poor man's Ben Roethlisberger's first two seasons. Both had good run games and defenses, and had similar success.

    1st seasons: Steelers 15-1, AFC championship loss; Jets 9-7, AFC Championship loss
    2nd seasons: Steelers 11-5; Super Bowl Champs; Jets 11-5, AFC Championship loss

    Pretty similar. The difference though is Bill Cowher vs. Rex Ryan. After Ben's first season, do you recall Cowher getting a Ben tattoo, saying he wants a bullseye on his team's back, and saying he's not here to kiss Belichick's rings? No, of course not. That's why Sanchez's career went downward, and that's why Tebow was stupid to want to go there. 
    The tat was to try and squelch the QB controversy but that didn't help.  Rex Ryan makes for great TV and players do enjoy playing for him but I think he was the worst.  Sanchez could have gotten better but they screwed that up...
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    OK, if ANYONE followed the Jets at all they would know that Rex liked to be the center of attention and also ruined Mark Sanchez' career.  They gave him no help, when he was down he would not say who the starting quarter back was week in and week out.  Ruined his self esteem.  He got that stupid tattoo to show his love for Sanchez but never really showed it.

    Tebow choosing to go to NY like someone mentioned though was absolutely stupid.  He was going into a losing situation right off the bat.
    Yeah Rex sucked. Sanchez's first two seasons was like a poor man's Ben Roethlisberger's first two seasons. Both had good run games and defenses, and had similar success.

    1st seasons: Steelers 15-1, AFC championship loss; Jets 9-7, AFC Championship loss
    2nd seasons: Steelers 11-5; Super Bowl Champs; Jets 11-5, AFC Championship loss

    Pretty similar. The difference though is Bill Cowher vs. Rex Ryan. After Ben's first season, do you recall Cowher getting a Ben tattoo, saying he wants a bullseye on his team's back, and saying he's not here to kiss Belichick's rings? No, of course not. That's why Sanchez's career went downward, and that's why Tebow was stupid to want to go there. 
    The tat was to try and squelch the QB controversy but that didn't help.  Rex Ryan makes for great TV and players do enjoy playing for him but I think he was the worst.  Sanchez could have gotten better but they screwed that up...
    His take  on Rodgers’ toe was hilariously self aware and earns him a lifetime pass as a talking head
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited December 2021
    Meltdown99 said:
    Whatever happened to Tebow?  Is he still playing baseball?  Has he started a ministry, TV ministry?  Maybe he’s in Haiti 🇭🇹 rebuilding the country…
    ESPN…only know that because I seen some articles slamming him for taking the day after Meyer was canned off.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    There's no comparison here. Come on.


    I'm wasn't comparing them as players. I'm saying the situation of being a second-stringer who is a total distraction to the team was similar. And if each player was better, Tebow in general, and Kaepernick at the point he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, both would still be on a team, distractions be damned. 
    OK, if ANYONE followed the Jets at all they would know that Rex liked to be the center of attention and also ruined Mark Sanchez' career.  They gave him no help, when he was down he would not say who the starting quarter back was week in and week out.  Ruined his self esteem.  He got that stupid tattoo to show his love for Sanchez but never really showed it.

    Tebow choosing to go to NY like someone mentioned though was absolutely stupid.  He was going into a losing situation right off the bat.
    Yeah Rex sucked. Sanchez's first two seasons was like a poor man's Ben Roethlisberger's first two seasons. Both had good run games and defenses, and had similar success.

    1st seasons: Steelers 15-1, AFC championship loss; Jets 9-7, AFC Championship loss
    2nd seasons: Steelers 11-5; Super Bowl Champs; Jets 11-5, AFC Championship loss

    Pretty similar. The difference though is Bill Cowher vs. Rex Ryan. After Ben's first season, do you recall Cowher getting a Ben tattoo, saying he wants a bullseye on his team's back, and saying he's not here to kiss Belichick's rings? No, of course not. That's why Sanchez's career went downward, and that's why Tebow was stupid to want to go there. 
    The tat was to try and squelch the QB controversy but that didn't help.  Rex Ryan makes for great TV and players do enjoy playing for him but I think he was the worst.  Sanchez could have gotten better but they screwed that up...
    His take  on Rodgers’ toe was hilariously self aware and earns him a lifetime pass as a talking head
    He is entertaining and I agree w you.  Hell, coach Salas of the Jets called his ass out!
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,871
    Meltdown99 said:
    Tim Tebow sucked …


    Urban thought he would be the next Kelce/Kittle..... also thought the racist strength coach was a good idea too 

    too soon?

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