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  • Posts: 41,959
    MayDay10 said:
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    It is a tough question.  You have era-adjusted, Honus Wagner was great, but if you transplanted him to the year 2005, with those slabs of leather they called gloves back then (sharing with the other SS)...  I dunno... also, the position changed.  Prior to 1990, with few exceptions (Ripken), it was a purely defensive position, and any offense was just a bonus.  

    The best defensive shortstop I ever saw was probably a tie between Ozzie and Vizquel

    If you are skewing more toward offensive (and power) numbers, you go more toward the A-Rod and Jeter.  Id definitely give A-Rod, vintage Seattle and Texas a nod over Jeter overall.

    Lindor and Correa are pretty great.

    You also might consider Ernie Banks and Robin Yount
    A-rod had better range than all of the players you mentioned but Smith and Vizquel.  Those are the best defensive players I've ever seen.  Arod was no slouch either. Dude could play the position.  Then he played 3rd at an elite level.

    For hitting Arod is second to only Honus but like you said, he did it in a different era.

    I enjoy talking about these things.
  • Posts: 34,067
    Derek Jeter is the best and most handsome baseball player in the history of planet earth.

    Objectively, Arod 
  • Posts: 31,659
    Nomar was a juicer, too.

    can I get some love for rich aurilia? :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • Posts: 41,959
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Derek Jeter is the best and most handsome baseball player in the history of planet earth.

    Objectively, Arod 
    lol.  You must have gotten a basket from him.
  • Posts: 34,067
    tempo_n_groove said:
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    lol.  You must have gotten a basket from him.
    Don't swing that way, but I'd be tempted!
  • Posts: 41,959
    Cliffy6745 said:
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    Don't swing that way, but I'd be tempted!
    lol
  • this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,968
    Wobbie said:
    Nomar was a juicer, too.

    can I get some love for rich aurilia? :lol:
    My favorite, Barry Larkin, was way better than Richie boy but also not on the category of best ever.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • West Chester, PA Posts: 43,678
    RIP Doug Jones
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • Posts: 31,659
    Rollins and Tex would get my HOF votes…..with Bonds, of course.

    Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • Posts: 28,808
    Wobbie said:
    Rollins and Tex would get my HOF votes…..with Bonds, of course.

    Is Buster the only guy to win CBPOY TWICE?
    I don't think Rollins will get enough votes to be eligible next year. Teixeira has good numbers but will probably not get the 15%? to stay on. He's borderline though. Maybe he'll get the votes that would have gone to A-Rod
    I miss igotid88
  • Posts: 12,349
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  • Posts: 41,959
    Wander will be on a team of mediocrity for years…. Or they trade him to a contender for a bunch of prospects.
  • Posts: 41,959
    For my votes for BBHOF

    Bonds
    Clemens
    Sosa
    Vizquel.  He should be in for his defense alone since they let Smith in.
    Arod
    Ramirez

    Manny, Vizquel and Sosa get shit on.  Sosa was a 30/30 guy before he was a HR hitter.  Vizquel I mentioned already.  Manny was a beast and he doesn’t even get a mention anymore.

    It used to be if you hit certain numbers you got in.  There were a lot of writers that didn’t mind the long balls in 1996-2008…
  • Posts: 11,900
    Vizquel has no chance due to the recent allegations
  • Posts: 31,659
    Sosa? no.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • Posts: 41,959
    MayDay10 said:
    Vizquel has no chance due to the recent allegations
    I didn't even know about that.

    If you can have murderers and wife beaters in the HOF then some very poor choice in hazing should be allowed too.

    He should have been in before that incident anyways...
  • Posts: 41,959
    Scherzer to the mets?  3 year deal?

    Early contender favorite now.
  • Posts: 12,349
    Robbie Ray to the Mariners: 5/$115
  • HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Seager to the Rangers....
    I LOVE MUSIC.
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  • Posts: 12,349
    mfc2006 said:
    Seager to the Rangers....
    Think I saw 10/$325

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