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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    sad day for america

    2nd amendment is a curse upon our country
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754
    CM189191 said:
    sad day for america

    2nd amendment is a curse upon our country
    Agree on both counts. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited November 2021
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
    I would have thought so this morning, but not after reading details on what the charges were. 

    COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

    This was specific to the reported who was following Rosenbaum, saying he was in danger being close proximity to Rosenbaum. But if self defense against Rosenbaum was justified, then I don’t see you could convict on this.

    COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

     Again, this was specific on a single individual. The “unknown” individual who kicked him seconds before he was hit with a skateboard. He fired on him and missed. Had he hit him and killed him, it would have been a murder charge, and a justified self defense. I said “unknown” because it sounds like the prosecution knew his identify but didn’t disclose it.

    I don’t see how you could convict on those endangerment charges. Now if he did brandish his gun earlier that lead to him being chased, I would agree with that. But they never charged him with that.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-81208625
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
    I would have thought so this morning, but not after reading details on what the charges were. 

    COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

    This was specific to the reported who was following Rosenbaum, saying he was in danger being close proximity to Rosenbaum. But if self defense against Rosenbaum was justified, then I don’t see you could convict on this.

    COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

     Again, this was specific on a single individual. The “unknown” individual who kicked him seconds before he was hit with a skateboard. He fired on him and missed. Had he hit him and killed him, it would have been a murder charge, and a justified self defense. I said “unknown” because it sounds like the prosecution knew his identify but didn’t disclose it.

    I don’t see how you could convict on those endangerment charges. Now if he did brandish his gun earlier that lead to him being chased, I would agree with that. But they never charged him with that.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-81208625
    Let me redirect my statement.

    I thought the prosecution didn't give a shit.  I still think that.

    He should have been brought up on a lesser charge but as you point out, there weren't any.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    internal email here at work:

    "All Minneapolis people can leave the office now.

    You can leave now."

  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,064
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
    I would have thought so this morning, but not after reading details on what the charges were. 

    COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

    This was specific to the reported who was following Rosenbaum, saying he was in danger being close proximity to Rosenbaum. But if self defense against Rosenbaum was justified, then I don’t see you could convict on this.

    COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

     Again, this was specific on a single individual. The “unknown” individual who kicked him seconds before he was hit with a skateboard. He fired on him and missed. Had he hit him and killed him, it would have been a murder charge, and a justified self defense. I said “unknown” because it sounds like the prosecution knew his identify but didn’t disclose it.

    I don’t see how you could convict on those endangerment charges. Now if he did brandish his gun earlier that lead to him being chased, I would agree with that. But they never charged him with that.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-81208625
    Let me redirect my statement.

    I thought the prosecution didn't give a shit.  I still think that.

    He should have been brought up on a lesser charge but as you point out, there weren't any.
    I agree it really seemed like the prosecution was doing the bare minimum and purposefully doing a poor job.  Like they purposefully picked their worst lawyers because they wanted to see the kid get off.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited November 2021
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
    I would have thought so this morning, but not after reading details on what the charges were. 

    COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

    This was specific to the reported who was following Rosenbaum, saying he was in danger being close proximity to Rosenbaum. But if self defense against Rosenbaum was justified, then I don’t see you could convict on this.

    COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

     Again, this was specific on a single individual. The “unknown” individual who kicked him seconds before he was hit with a skateboard. He fired on him and missed. Had he hit him and killed him, it would have been a murder charge, and a justified self defense. I said “unknown” because it sounds like the prosecution knew his identify but didn’t disclose it.

    I don’t see how you could convict on those endangerment charges. Now if he did brandish his gun earlier that lead to him being chased, I would agree with that. But they never charged him with that.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-81208625
    Let me redirect my statement.

    I thought the prosecution didn't give a shit.  I still think that.

    He should have been brought up on a lesser charge but as you point out, there weren't any.
    I would agree on no lesser charge that was appropriate, but there probably was something they could have come up with that would stick. I’m not sure if the prosecution didn’t care or was just incompetent  or assumed they’d convict on at least something which lead to the overcharging.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,336
    CM189191 said:
    internal email here at work:

    "All Minneapolis people can leave the office now.

    You can leave now."

    You think there will be rioting?  White guy shot two other white guys.  White people don't usually get up in arms about such things.  It's not a sporting event.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    CM189191 said:
    internal email here at work:

    "All Minneapolis people can leave the office now.

    You can leave now."

    Do you live near Minneapolis? Because this would be kinda funny if you’re in LA or NYC.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,317
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
    I would have thought so this morning, but not after reading details on what the charges were. 

    COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

    This was specific to the reported who was following Rosenbaum, saying he was in danger being close proximity to Rosenbaum. But if self defense against Rosenbaum was justified, then I don’t see you could convict on this.

    COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

     Again, this was specific on a single individual. The “unknown” individual who kicked him seconds before he was hit with a skateboard. He fired on him and missed. Had he hit him and killed him, it would have been a murder charge, and a justified self defense. I said “unknown” because it sounds like the prosecution knew his identify but didn’t disclose it.

    I don’t see how you could convict on those endangerment charges. Now if he did brandish his gun earlier that lead to him being chased, I would agree with that. But they never charged him with that.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-81208625
    Let me redirect my statement.

    I thought the prosecution didn't give a shit.  I still think that.

    He should have been brought up on a lesser charge but as you point out, there weren't any.
    I would agree on no lesser charge that was appropriate, but there probably was something they could have come up with that would stick. I’m not sure if the prosecution didn’t care or was just incompetent  or assumed they’d convict on at least something which lead to the overcharging.
    https://news.yahoo.com/rittenhouse-jury-could-consider-lesser-141851530.html

    Jurors in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse — who traveled armed from his home in Antioch, Illinois, to Kenosha, Wisconsin, […] The post Rittenhouse jury could con...


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
    Will he be the next focksnooze talking head or will he settle for oan or infowars?
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,205
    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    internal email here at work:

    "All Minneapolis people can leave the office now.

    You can leave now."

    You think there will be rioting?  White guy shot two other white guys.  White people don't usually get up in arms about such things.  It's not a sporting event.
    Hope not but I’d be shocked if there isn’t. Someone here already posted a burn it down gif. Seems to be deleted by mods. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited November 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I thought he was innocent of murder but he should have been convicted of a lesser crime.
    I would have thought so this morning, but not after reading details on what the charges were. 

    COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

    This was specific to the reported who was following Rosenbaum, saying he was in danger being close proximity to Rosenbaum. But if self defense against Rosenbaum was justified, then I don’t see you could convict on this.

    COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

     Again, this was specific on a single individual. The “unknown” individual who kicked him seconds before he was hit with a skateboard. He fired on him and missed. Had he hit him and killed him, it would have been a murder charge, and a justified self defense. I said “unknown” because it sounds like the prosecution knew his identify but didn’t disclose it.

    I don’t see how you could convict on those endangerment charges. Now if he did brandish his gun earlier that lead to him being chased, I would agree with that. But they never charged him with that.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/explainer-charges-kyle-rittenhouse-face-81208625
    Let me redirect my statement.

    I thought the prosecution didn't give a shit.  I still think that.

    He should have been brought up on a lesser charge but as you point out, there weren't any.
    I would agree on no lesser charge that was appropriate, but there probably was something they could have come up with that would stick. I’m not sure if the prosecution didn’t care or was just incompetent  or assumed they’d convict on at least something which lead to the overcharging.
    https://news.yahoo.com/rittenhouse-jury-could-consider-lesser-141851530.html

    Jurors in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse — who traveled armed from his home in Antioch, Illinois, to Kenosha, Wisconsin, […] The post Rittenhouse jury could con...


    I didn’t mean to imply lesser charges were only appropriate if he was brandishing his weapon. There should have been smaller charges made, but there weren’t any.
     Just that based on the charges given, it was an over reach and the right verdict was made. The particular lesser charges brought forth here were only because he missed that target, if it was self defense for Rosenbaum then it was self defense for all.

    *Edit to add I don’t care for the “he traveled all the way from Illinois” argument anymore. I always assumed he drove like 6 hours to get there. I only learned a couple days ago it’s a 20 minute drive and his dad lives there so it is a second home for him. Which makes that a moot point to me.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • tempo_n_groove
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    nicknyr15 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    internal email here at work:

    "All Minneapolis people can leave the office now.

    You can leave now."

    You think there will be rioting?  White guy shot two other white guys.  White people don't usually get up in arms about such things.  It's not a sporting event.
    Hope not but I’d be shocked if there isn’t. Someone here already posted a burn it down gif. Seems to be deleted by mods. 
    Yeah mods have been on things like that lately.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Kyle Rittenhouse is a visionary.

    Pre-meditated self-defense is going to be as popular as Charlotte Hornets gear was in 1991.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,006
    Look forward to seeing more of this, you know, polling places, school board meetings, town council meetings, candidate meet and greets, election days. Let the gun nuts and insurrectionists celebrate. What a shithole country. Welcome to DC Kyle and the office of Matt Getts Off.
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  • tbergs
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    OnWis97 said:
    Kyle Rittenhouse is a visionary.

    Pre-meditated self-defense is going to be as popular as Charlotte Hornets gear was in 1991.
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  • OnWis97
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    Let's set the over/under at how many more people die from a bullet fired by Kyle Rittenhouse at 1.

    I'll take the over.
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  • CM189191
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    internal email here at work:

    "All Minneapolis people can leave the office now.

    You can leave now."

    You think there will be rioting?  White guy shot two other white guys.  White people don't usually get up in arms about such things.  It's not a sporting event.

    I know the riots in Kenosha were in response to a different police department murdering a different black man

    but believe it or not, people are still pretty salty about George Floyd around here
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