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  • mickeyrat
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    Capitol rioters enter 1st guilty pleas to assaulting police
    By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
    2 hours ago

    A New Jersey gym owner and a Washington state man on Friday became the first people charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol to plead guilty to assaulting a law enforcement officer during the deadly siege.

    The pair of plea deals with federal prosecutors could be a benchmark for dozens of other cases in which Capitol rioters are charged with attacking police as part of an effort to halt the certification of President Joe Biden’s election victory. Both defendants face more than three years in prison if a judge adheres to estimated sentencing guidelines spelled out in the plea agreements.

    The estimated sentencing guidelines for Scott Kevin Fairlamb range from about 3 1/2 to 4 1/4 years in prison. But the judge isn't bound by that recommendation when he sentences Fairlamb, a 44-year-old former mixed martial arts fighter who owned Fairlamb Fit gym in Pompton Lakes, New Jersey. Fairlamb's lawyer and prosecutors can seek a sentence above or below those guidelines.

    The sentencing guidelines in Devlyn Thompson's plea deal recommend a slightly higher sentence than Fairlamb, ranging from less than four years to 4 3/4 years in prison. After Fairlamb's hearing, Thompson, 28, of Puyallup, Washington, pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer with a dangerous weapon, a baton.

    The same judge who accepted Fairlamb's guilty plea ordered Thompson to be jailed in Seattle. Thompson had been free since his participation in the Capitol riot.

    The pleas come less than two weeks after a group of police officers testified at a congressional hearing about their harrowing confrontations with the mob of insurrectionists. Five officers who were at the Capitol that day have died, four of them by suicide. The Justice Department has said that rioters assaulted approximately 140 police officers on Jan. 6. About 80 of them were U.S. Capitol Police officers and about 60 were from the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department.

    Fairlamb, whose brother is a U.S. Secret Service agent, was one of the first people to breach the Capitol after other rioters smashed windows using riot shields and kicked out a locked door, according to federal prosecutors. After leaving the building, Fairlamb harassed a line of police officers, shouting in their faces and blocking their progress through the mob, prosecutors wrote in a court filing.

    A video showed him holding a collapsible baton and shouting, “What (do) patriots do? We f——— disarm them and then we storm the f——— Capitol!”

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Tejpal Chawla said Thompson was on the front lines of the most violent clashes that day, in a tunnel at the Capitol.

    “This is one of the largest domestic terrorism events in U.S. history, where a group of individuals attacked the citadel of our constitutional democracy in an effort to overthrow the valid election results of the president of the United States,” Chawla said.

    Thomas Durkin, one of Thompson's attorneys, said Jan. 6 was a “horrible, horrible event” but disputed the prosecutor's characterization of the attack.

    “I think it's dangerous to start throwing around ‘domestic terrorism’ in circumstances like this,” he said.

    U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth set a sentencing date of Sept. 27 for both Thompson and Fairlamb, who has been jailed since his Jan. 22 arrest at his home in Stockholm, New Jersey.

    Thompson wasn’t arrested after he was charged last month with one count of assaulting a Metropolitan Police officer. His attorneys said in a court filing that he has autism spectrum disorder.

    Fairlamb's lawyer, Harley Breite, said he will ask the judge for a sentence below the government's recommended guidelines.

    Fairlamb’s involvement in the riot has “eviscerated large parts of his life,” his attorney said.

    “He has lost his business. The mortgage on his home where he lives with his wife is in peril. And he has been publicly disgraced,” Breite said during an interview after Friday’s remote hearing.

    Breite said his client wanted to “pay the price for what he had done and then move on with his life.”

    “It wasn’t so much about the deal. It was about his desire to own up to what he had done, make himself a better person for the future and move on,” the lawyer added.

    Fairlamb pleaded guilty to two counts, obstruction of an official proceeding and assaulting a Metropolitan Police Department officer. The counts carry a maximum of more than 20 years in prison.

    Another video captured Fairlamb shoving and punching a police officer in the head after he left the Capitol, according to an FBI agent’s affidavit.

    “As a former MMA fighter, the defendant was well aware of the injury he could have inflicted on (the officer),” prosecutors wrote. “His actions and words on that day all indicate a specific intent to obstruct a congressional proceeding through fear, intimidation, and violence, including violence against uniformed police officers.”

    Fairlamb’s brother was one of the Secret Service agents assigned to protect former first lady Michelle Obama, Breite said.

    Fairlamb’s social media accounts indicated that he subscribed to the QAnon conspiracy theory and promoted a bogus claim that former President Donald Trump would become the first president of “the new Republic” on March 4, prosecutors wrote. QAnon has centered on the baseless belief that Trump was fighting against a cabal of Satan-worshipping, child sex trafficking cannibals, including “deep state” enemies, prominent Democrats and Hollywood elites.

    The rioters believed Trump's lies that he was robbed of a second term because of massive voter fraud nationwide. In fact, claims of massive fraud have been refuted by numerous judges, state election officials and even Trump’s own administration.

    On July 27, a House panel investigating the deadly riot heard emotional testimony from four police officers who tried to defend the Capitol when the mob of Trump supporters stormed the building.

    At least nine people who were at the Capitol on Jan. 6 died during or after the rioting, including Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who collapsed after he was sprayed by rioters with a chemical irritant. Four other police officers have died by suicide, including two Metropolitan Police officers who were found dead within the past month.

    Police shot and killed a woman, Ashli Babbitt, who was part of a group of people trying to beat down the doors of the House chamber. Three other Trump supporters who died had suffered medical emergencies.

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  • josevolution
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    mickeyrat said:
    Capitol rioters enter 1st guilty pleas to assaulting police
    By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN
    2 hours ago

    A New Jersey gym owner and a Washington state man on Friday became the first people charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol to plead guilty to assaulting a law enforcement officer during the deadly siege.

    The pair of plea deals with federal prosecutors could be a benchmark for dozens of other cases in which Capitol rioters are charged with attacking police as part of an effort to halt the certification of President Joe Biden’s election victory. Both defendants face more than three years in prison if a judge adheres to estimated sentencing guidelines spelled out in the plea agreements.

    The estimated sentencing guidelines for Scott Kevin Fairlamb range from about 3 1/2 to 4 1/4 years in prison. But the judge isn't bound by that recommendation when he sentences Fairlamb, a 44-year-old former mixed martial arts fighter who owned Fairlamb Fit gym in Pompton Lakes, New Jersey. Fairlamb's lawyer and prosecutors can seek a sentence above or below those guidelines.

    The sentencing guidelines in Devlyn Thompson's plea deal recommend a slightly higher sentence than Fairlamb, ranging from less than four years to 4 3/4 years in prison. After Fairlamb's hearing, Thompson, 28, of Puyallup, Washington, pleaded guilty to assaulting a police officer with a dangerous weapon, a baton.

    The same judge who accepted Fairlamb's guilty plea ordered Thompson to be jailed in Seattle. Thompson had been free since his participation in the Capitol riot.

    The pleas come less than two weeks after a group of police officers testified at a congressional hearing about their harrowing confrontations with the mob of insurrectionists. Five officers who were at the Capitol that day have died, four of them by suicide. The Justice Department has said that rioters assaulted approximately 140 police officers on Jan. 6. About 80 of them were U.S. Capitol Police officers and about 60 were from the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department.

    Fairlamb, whose brother is a U.S. Secret Service agent, was one of the first people to breach the Capitol after other rioters smashed windows using riot shields and kicked out a locked door, according to federal prosecutors. After leaving the building, Fairlamb harassed a line of police officers, shouting in their faces and blocking their progress through the mob, prosecutors wrote in a court filing.

    A video showed him holding a collapsible baton and shouting, “What (do) patriots do? We f——— disarm them and then we storm the f——— Capitol!”

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Tejpal Chawla said Thompson was on the front lines of the most violent clashes that day, in a tunnel at the Capitol.

    “This is one of the largest domestic terrorism events in U.S. history, where a group of individuals attacked the citadel of our constitutional democracy in an effort to overthrow the valid election results of the president of the United States,” Chawla said.

    Thomas Durkin, one of Thompson's attorneys, said Jan. 6 was a “horrible, horrible event” but disputed the prosecutor's characterization of the attack.

    “I think it's dangerous to start throwing around ‘domestic terrorism’ in circumstances like this,” he said.

    U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth set a sentencing date of Sept. 27 for both Thompson and Fairlamb, who has been jailed since his Jan. 22 arrest at his home in Stockholm, New Jersey.

    Thompson wasn’t arrested after he was charged last month with one count of assaulting a Metropolitan Police officer. His attorneys said in a court filing that he has autism spectrum disorder.

    Fairlamb's lawyer, Harley Breite, said he will ask the judge for a sentence below the government's recommended guidelines.

    Fairlamb’s involvement in the riot has “eviscerated large parts of his life,” his attorney said.

    “He has lost his business. The mortgage on his home where he lives with his wife is in peril. And he has been publicly disgraced,” Breite said during an interview after Friday’s remote hearing.

    Breite said his client wanted to “pay the price for what he had done and then move on with his life.”

    “It wasn’t so much about the deal. It was about his desire to own up to what he had done, make himself a better person for the future and move on,” the lawyer added.

    Fairlamb pleaded guilty to two counts, obstruction of an official proceeding and assaulting a Metropolitan Police Department officer. The counts carry a maximum of more than 20 years in prison.

    Another video captured Fairlamb shoving and punching a police officer in the head after he left the Capitol, according to an FBI agent’s affidavit.

    “As a former MMA fighter, the defendant was well aware of the injury he could have inflicted on (the officer),” prosecutors wrote. “His actions and words on that day all indicate a specific intent to obstruct a congressional proceeding through fear, intimidation, and violence, including violence against uniformed police officers.”

    Fairlamb’s brother was one of the Secret Service agents assigned to protect former first lady Michelle Obama, Breite said.

    Fairlamb’s social media accounts indicated that he subscribed to the QAnon conspiracy theory and promoted a bogus claim that former President Donald Trump would become the first president of “the new Republic” on March 4, prosecutors wrote. QAnon has centered on the baseless belief that Trump was fighting against a cabal of Satan-worshipping, child sex trafficking cannibals, including “deep state” enemies, prominent Democrats and Hollywood elites.

    The rioters believed Trump's lies that he was robbed of a second term because of massive voter fraud nationwide. In fact, claims of massive fraud have been refuted by numerous judges, state election officials and even Trump’s own administration.

    On July 27, a House panel investigating the deadly riot heard emotional testimony from four police officers who tried to defend the Capitol when the mob of Trump supporters stormed the building.

    At least nine people who were at the Capitol on Jan. 6 died during or after the rioting, including Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who collapsed after he was sprayed by rioters with a chemical irritant. Four other police officers have died by suicide, including two Metropolitan Police officers who were found dead within the past month.

    Police shot and killed a woman, Ashli Babbitt, who was part of a group of people trying to beat down the doors of the House chamber. Three other Trump supporters who died had suffered medical emergencies.

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    I hope they all get the max sentence! 
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  • mickeyrat
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    History, the adage goes, is written by the victors.
    Would that it were true.
    In the Civil War, the U.S. Army, at a staggering human cost, eventually crushed the traitors who took up arms against their own country. But Lost Cause mythology rewrote the rebellion as a conflict over states’ rights, portrayed Confederates as gallant heroes fighting impossible odds, romanticized plantation life and sanitized slavery. The fictions, taught to generations of southerners, fueled Jim Crow and white supremacy.
    In the retelling of Jan. 6, we see an echo of Lost Cause mythology. On that terrible day, terrorists took up arms against the United States, sacking the seat of the U.S. government in a deadly rampage. White supremacists marauded through the Capitol. It was a coup attempt, aimed at overturning the will of the people with brute force, encouraged by a defeated president and his allies. The Capitol Police and D.C. Metropolitan Police, badly outnumbered, ultimately prevailed in putting down the insurrection.
    But now the losers are trying to rewrite the history of that day. The terrorists were “patriots.” Theirs was a “normal tourist visit.” They weren’t armed. They were “hugging and kissing” the police. A woman, shot as she breached the last barrier keeping elected representatives from the mob, was a martyr shot in cold blood. The Capitol Police were ill-trained. It was Nancy Pelosi’s fault.
    The losers, again, are trying to write the history. They must not be allowed to succeed — for if they do, they will certainly try again to attack democracy.
    President Biden joined the battle against the revisionists on Thursday as he presented the Congressional Gold Medal to the police who saved democracy on Jan. 6. “We cannot allow history to be rewritten,” he said.
    In a speech honoring the heroism of the police, Biden, at one point brushing a tear from his eye, called the attackers what they were. “A mob of extremists and terrorists launched a violent and deadly assault on the People’s House and the sacred ritual to certify a free and fair election,” he said. “It was insurrection … It was unconstitutional. And maybe most important, it was fundamentally un-American.”
    To that list of labels, Ty Seidule adds one more: “It was a lynch mob.”
    Seidule is qualified to say so. A retired U.S. Army general, he taught history for two decades at West Point. Now at Hamilton College, he’s the author of “Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner’s Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause,” a disembowelment of Lost Cause lies he learned in his own upbringing as a White southerner.
    ['Cape Up' Podcast | How Ty Seidule went from revering Robert E. Lee to being one of his fiercest detractors]
    He told me of the disgust he felt when he saw a photo of an insurrectionist in the Capitol on Jan. 6 carrying the Confederate battle flag — “the Flag of Treason,” he calls it — past a portrait of Charles Sumner, the abolitionist senator nearly caned to death by Preston Brooks, a proslavery congressman from South Carolina. Seidule wanted to suit up in his old uniform and fight the Capitol terrorists. “The people who did that need to be in orange jumpsuits and shackles,” he said.
    In his book, Seidule writes of the importance of words in defeating the Lost Cause lies. It wasn’t “Union” against “Confederate,” he argues. It was the “U.S. Army fighting … against a rebel force that would not accept the results of a democratic election and chose armed rebellion.” Confederate generals didn’t fight with “honor”; they abrogated “an oath sworn to God to defend the United States” and “killed more U.S. Army soldiers than any other enemy, ever.” It wasn’t “the War Between the States,” as Lost Cause mythology would have it; the Civil War was, properly, “The War of the Rebellion.” They weren’t “plantations” as glorified by Margaret Mitchell, but “enslaved labor farms.” Writes Seidule: “Accurate language can help us destroy the lies of the Lost Cause.”
    So, too, can accurate language destroy the lies now being floated to justify Jan. 6.
    [Opinion by Ty Seidule: What to rename the Army bases that honor Confederate soldiers]
    These were not tourists. These were not patriots. They were terrorists, as D.C. police officer Daniel Hodges, savagely beaten on Jan. 6, labeled them in congressional testimony. They were armed — with rebar, poles, knives, bear spray, tasers and an untold number of firearms — and they were unspeakably violent in their attack on the duly elected government of the United States.
    The revisionist history serves a purpose: Sanitizing sedition so the foes of democracy will be able to attack it again, but successfully. This is why those who still revere our democracy must answer the lies with the true stories of Jan. 6 — again and again. “We’re not going to let them win the narrative,” Seidule said. “History is too important.”

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  • mickeyrat
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    this is a very good question......


    Judge asks why Capitol rioters are paying just $1.5 million for attack, while U.S. taxpayers will pay more than $500 million
    By Spencer S. Hsu
    August 09 at 3:29 PM ET
    A federal judge on Monday questioned why U.S. prosecutors are asking Capitol riot defendants to pay only $1.5 million in restitution while American taxpayers are paying more than $500 million to cover the costs of the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob.
    Chief U.S. District Judge Beryl A. Howell of Washington challenged the toughness of the Justice Department’s stance in a plea hearing for a Colorado Springs man who admitted to one of four nonviolent misdemeanor counts of picketing in the U.S. Capitol.
    Howell has already asked in another defendant’s plea hearing whether no-prison misdemeanor plea deals offered by the government are too lenient for individuals involved in “terrorizing members of Congress,” asking pointedly whether the government had “any concern about deterrence?”
    On Monday, she pressed the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington on why it was seeking to require only $2,000 in each felony case and $500 in each misdemeanor case.
    “I’m accustomed to the government being fairly aggressive in terms of fraud when there have been damages that accrue from a criminal act for the restitution amount,” said Howell, a former Brooklyn federal prosecutor and Senate Judiciary Committee general counsel.
    “Where we have Congress acting, appropriating all this money due directly to the events of January 6th, I have found the damage amount of less than $1.5 million — when all of us American taxpayers are about to foot the bill for close to half a billion dollars — a little bit surprising,” she said.
    [Congress passes $2.1 billion in emergency funding for Capitol security and Afghan resettlement]
    The judge alluded to a $2.1 billion security bill passed overwhelmingly July 29 by Congress to cover the costs of the Jan. 6 attack, including reimbursements totaling $521 million for the National Guard and $70 million to the Capitol Police, plus $300 million for Capitol security improvements.
    Authorities say the riot contributed to the deaths of five people during or immediately following the attack and the deaths by suicide of multiple police officers. The attack also led to assaults on nearly 140 officers and forced the evacuation of a joint session of Congress meeting to confirm the results of the 2020 presidential election.
    Assistant U.S. Attorney Clayton Henry O’Connor told Howell the government would explain how it computed the damage and restitution estimate before October.
    The department and U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment beyond court statements.
    [Jan. 6 riot caused $1.5 million in damage to Capitol — and U.S. prosecutors want defendants to pay]
    Prosecutors gave few details in early June when they put a price tag for the first time on damage done to the Capitol in the riots, saying in court filings that as of mid-May the sum totaled “approximately $1,495,326.55.”
    The basis of the estimate was not clear but appeared to reflect the immediate costs of replacing broken windows, doors and other property. A spokeswoman for the Architect of the Capitol said the agency gave damage assessments to the Justice Department, which calculated the per-case penalty, and separate assessments to House and Senate appropriators for wider security costs.
    Federal law allows judges at sentencing to order convicted offenders to reimburse victims for property damage and other losses, depending whether losses are a direct and foreseeable result of an offender’s crime. But the law also makes restitution a negotiable item pursuant to plea agreement.
    [National Guard leaders warn of cuts, furloughs if Congress doesn’t repay Jan. 6 debts soon]
    Howell on Monday eventually accepted the guilty plea of Glenn Wes Lee Croy, 46, who admitted traveling with an Ohio co-defendant to attend a rally for President Donald Trump at the Ellipse, walking to the Capitol, and standing at its steps for about an hour before entering the just-breached building at 2:20 p.m.

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  • mickeyrat
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    suppose this goes here....


    Militia' involved in Michigan plot proposed attacking Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, feds say

    Jackie Borchardt
    The Columbus Dispatch

    Men charged with plotting to kidnap and overthrow Michigan's governor also had their sights on Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, federal prosecutors disclosed in a court filing Monday.

    Fourteen men have been charged in the alleged plot, which federal investigators say involved abducting Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, and leaving her on a boat in the middle of Lake Michigan in retaliation for the state's COVID-19 restrictions. Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, was also discussed as a potential target during a meeting of self-described "militia" members in Dublin, Ohio, an FBI agent testified in October.

    The mention of Ohio's governor, a Republican, in Monday's filing is new. The defendants have argued they were entrapped by the FBI and there was no plot. Prosecutors said in Monday's 22-page filing that's not possible because the accused "proposed attacking the governors of Michigan, Ohio, and Virginia" a month before meeting with an FBI informant.

    DeWine said in October that he "absolutely had no knowledge" about the plan before reading a news report and declined to answer questions about security measures for him and his staff. DeWine said the plan was "shocking" and "horrible" and "outside our political process."



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  • Gern Blansten
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    which is why militia's should be "well regulated"....fucking insane
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    which is why militia's should be "well regulated"....fucking insane
    But then you’d have to take away everyone’s guns. So no, more guns are the answer.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Whitmet conspirator....


    Man gets 6 years in prison in Michigan governor kidnap plot
    By DAVID EGGERT and ED WHITE
    10 mins ago

    GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (AP) — A man upset over state-ordered coronavirus restrictions was sentenced to just over six years in prison Wednesday for planning to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a significant break that reflected his quick decision to cooperate and help agents build cases against others.

    Ty Garbin admitted his role in the alleged scheme weeks after his arrest last fall. He is among six men charged in federal court but the only one to plead guilty so far. It was a key victory for prosecutors as they try to prove an astonishing plot against the rest.

    Garbin apologized to Whitmer, who was not in court, and her family.

    “I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of stress and fear her family felt because of my actions. And for that I am truly sorry,” the 25-year-old aviation mechanic told the judge.

    In his plea agreement, Garbin said the six men trained at his property near Luther, Michigan, constructing a “shoot house” to resemble Whitmer’s vacation home and “assaulting it with firearms.”

    The government, noting Garbin’s exceptional cooperation, asked U.S. District Judge Robert Jonker to give him credit for helping investigators reinforce their case against his co-defendants.

    The “Constitution is designed to ensure that we work out our fundamental and different views peacefully, not at the point of a gun, not with some other blunt force threat or a kidnapping conspiracy," the judge said.

    Prosecutors recommended a nine-year prison term. But Jonker went shorter, at 6 1/4 years, saying he was convinced that Garbin was an “excellent prospect” to stay out of trouble when released from prison.


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  • OnWis97
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    edited August 2021
    If Whitney loses, he’ll e pardoned 

    edit: federal charges. So if MAGA wins the White House 
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  • cincybearcat
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    6 years isn’t enough 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,737
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,376
    mickeyrat said:
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
    was it a cracker barrel? sounds like a meeting that would happen at a cracker barrel.
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  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
    was it a cracker barrel? sounds like a meeting that would happen at a cracker barrel.

    no. upscale joint with a bar , at lunch time iirc.. j. liu
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    mickeyrat said:
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
    was it a cracker barrel? sounds like a meeting that would happen at a cracker barrel.
    I'm sorry. I know that Cracker Barrel has had its share of social issues, but there's no goddamn way someone would want to go through with such a plan after some of their chicken and dumplings.

    Plus, these guys would still be so busy trying to outdo each other on the golf tee puzzle that they'd forget all about it.
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    mickeyrat Posts: 44,737
    dankind said:
    mickeyrat said:
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
    was it a cracker barrel? sounds like a meeting that would happen at a cracker barrel.
    I'm sorry. I know that Cracker Barrel has had its share of social issues, but there's no goddamn way someone would want to go through with such a plan after some of their chicken and dumplings.

    Plus, these guys would still be so busy trying to outdo each other on the golf tee puzzle that they'd forget all about it.

    cracker barrel isnt suited for dublin, ohio.......
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    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    mickeyrat said:
    dankind said:
    mickeyrat said:
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
    was it a cracker barrel? sounds like a meeting that would happen at a cracker barrel.
    I'm sorry. I know that Cracker Barrel has had its share of social issues, but there's no goddamn way someone would want to go through with such a plan after some of their chicken and dumplings.

    Plus, these guys would still be so busy trying to outdo each other on the golf tee puzzle that they'd forget all about it.

    cracker barrel isnt suited for dublin, ohio.......
    Wait,  you don't go to Cracker Barrel after a round at Muirfield Village?
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    Kat Posts: 4,973
    I hope they have enough evidence. 



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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,737
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    dankind said:
    mickeyrat said:
    6 years isn’t enough 

    he flipped though, prosecutors were quite pleased with the info given. now make the rest of them more of a lock for serious time.

    reported a couple weeks ago the same group was going to target DeWine too. fbi didnt tell him when they learned of it.

    fuckers met at a restaurant a few miles from my house......
    was it a cracker barrel? sounds like a meeting that would happen at a cracker barrel.
    I'm sorry. I know that Cracker Barrel has had its share of social issues, but there's no goddamn way someone would want to go through with such a plan after some of their chicken and dumplings.

    Plus, these guys would still be so busy trying to outdo each other on the golf tee puzzle that they'd forget all about it.

    cracker barrel isnt suited for dublin, ohio.......
    Wait,  you don't go to Cracker Barrel after a round at Muirfield Village?

    not driving to Hilliard or up to Sunbury for cracker barrel. thats a if you're driving by place not a destination spot....
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    Lt. Michael Byrd.......

    https://news.yahoo.com/know-day-saved-countless-lives-001820644.html

    "I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger," said Lt. Michael Byrd of Jan. 6.

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    Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters
    By ALANNA DURKIN RICHER, MICHAEL KUNZELMAN and JACQUES BILLEAUD
    Today

    It's a common refrain from some of those charged in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and their Republican allies: The Justice Department is treating them harshly because of their political views while those arrested during last year's protests over racial injustice were given leniency.

    Court records tell a different story.

    An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.

    The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who've been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more.

    The dissonance between the rhetoric of Capitol rioters and their supporters and the record established by courts highlights both the racial tension inherent in their arguments — the pro-Donald Trump rioters were largely white and last summer’s protesters were more diverse — and the flawed assessment at the heart of their claims.

    “The property damage or accusations of arson and looting from last year, those were serious and they were dealt with seriously, but they weren't an attack on the very core constitutional processes that we rely on in a democracy, nor were they an attack on the United States Congress,” said Kent Greenfield, a professor at Boston College Law School.

    To be sure, some defendants have received lenient deals.

    At least 19 who have been sentenced across the country got no prison time or time served, according to the AP’s review. Many pleaded guilty to lower-level offenses, such as misdemeanor assault, but some were convicted of more serious charges, including civil disorder.

    In Portland, Oregon — where demonstrations, many turning violent, occurred nightly for months after a white Minneapolis police officer killed Floyd — about 60 of the roughly 100 cases that were brought have been dismissed, court records show.

    Most of those defendants received deferred resolution agreements, under which prosecutors promise to drop charges after a certain amount of time if the defendant stays out of trouble and completes things like community service. Some Jan. 6 defendants have complained it's unfair they aren't getting the same deals.

    But President Joe Biden’s Justice Department has continued the vast majority of the racial injustice protest cases brought across the U.S. under Trump and has often pushed for lengthy prison time for people convicted of serious crimes. Since Biden took office in January, federal prosecutors have brought some new cases stemming from last year's protests.



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