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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,827
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...


    No idea what this is from but I'm sure it supports whatever you are trying to get across...

    Police have the ability to not murder people 
    This moron should have been shot but I don't see any cops even near him?
    Kyle Rittenhouse. They are referring to when he tried to surrender and walked by several police cars.
    I dont think its the same, when police arrived he looked like the victim because a mob had chased him. They were unaware than he just shot 3 or 4 people.
    Compared to this case, it sounds like the girl had a knife and was actively trying to stab someone. I'm sure if it was anyone's daughter she was trying to stab, they'd be okay with the shooting. But as I said earlier, its still earlier and we should have all learned by now that there is often a lot of misinformation when these stories first break. So hard to form a strong opinion at this point. 
    this was taken AFTER he murdered those two people? I thought it was before. 
    Maybe. I have no idea when it was taken based on a still picture. But I'm pretty sure that was the point CM was trying to make when posting it. At least that was what came to my mind. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,770
    edited April 2021
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...


    No idea what this is from but I'm sure it supports whatever you are trying to get across...

    Police have the ability to not murder people 
    This moron should have been shot but I don't see any cops even near him?
    Kyle Rittenhouse. They are referring to when he tried to surrender and walked by several police cars.
    I dont think its the same, when police arrived he looked like the victim because a mob had chased him. They were unaware than he just shot 3 or 4 people.
    Compared to this case, it sounds like the girl had a knife and was actively trying to stab someone. I'm sure if it was anyone's daughter she was trying to stab, they'd be okay with the shooting. But as I said earlier, its still earlier and we should have all learned by now that there is often a lot of misinformation when these stories first break. So hard to form a strong opinion at this point. 
    this was taken AFTER he murdered those two people? I thought it was before. 
    I'm under the impression this was taken after he murdered people, and the hand sign he flashed was recognized as pro law enforcement, which is why they let him through... I could absolutely be mistaken on this though... it's just what I recall hearing at the time. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    edited April 2021
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...


    No idea what this is from but I'm sure it supports whatever you are trying to get across...

    Police have the ability to not murder people 
    This moron should have been shot but I don't see any cops even near him?
    Kyle Rittenhouse. They are referring to when he tried to surrender and walked by several police cars.
    I dont think its the same, when police arrived he looked like the victim because a mob had chased him. They were unaware than he just shot 3 or 4 people.
    Compared to this case, it sounds like the girl had a knife and was actively trying to stab someone. I'm sure if it was anyone's daughter she was trying to stab, they'd be okay with the shooting. But as I said earlier, its still earlier and we should have all learned by now that there is often a lot of misinformation when these stories first break. So hard to form a strong opinion at this point. 
    this was taken AFTER he murdered those two people? I thought it was before. 
    Maybe. I have no idea when it was taken based on a still picture. But I'm pretty sure that was the point CM was trying to make when posting it. At least that was what came to my mind. 
    I remember the incident now.

    Guy got cornered, people attacked him, he shot them, they chased him.  He surrendered to the cops.

    Guy was looking for trouble, got it and then got to defend himself.

    Truth be told, if You're holding that rifle around your neck I am not engaging...

    Edit: The cops did not see him shoot the people.
    Post edited by tempo_n_groove on
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Just watched the video. I mean, what a chaotic scene and that cop had a millisecond to decide to shoot as that girl raised the knife. You see her drop it as she falls after being shot. Truly, what is the cop supposed to do there? Wait and see? 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I didn't see the video. the only video screen i saw on the page was nothing but ad after ad. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    I didn't see the video. the only video screen i saw on the page was nothing but ad after ad. 
    I found the video here. Starts about a minute in.

    https://m.facebook.com/NBC4Columbus/videos/267251811794354
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tbergs said:
    I didn't see the video. the only video screen i saw on the page was nothing but ad after ad. 
    I found the video here. Starts about a minute in.

    https://m.facebook.com/NBC4Columbus/videos/267251811794354
    that link just brings me to a video of a bunch of guys on a boat playing chicken with a war ship. fucking idiots. 

    anyway, I saw the video on cnn. it looks to me in the video that the girl with the knife who got shot was trying to stab the girls in the pink. what are officer directives when it comes to someone's life being in danger? wouldn't shooting the assailant with the deadly weapon be justified?
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Here's a link that works....

    https://youtu.be/XI1xWqWZxyk
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tbergs said:
    Just watched the video. I mean, what a chaotic scene and that cop had a millisecond to decide to shoot as that girl raised the knife. You see her drop it as she falls after being shot. Truly, what is the cop supposed to do there? Wait and see? 


    Good questions.

    Where would this stand in the context of 'Stand Your Ground' laws?  What is the cop supposed to do in this scenario?

    Doesn't Ma’khia have the right to bear arms?  The right to defend herself?  The right to stand her ground?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    tbergs said:
    I didn't see the video. the only video screen i saw on the page was nothing but ad after ad. 
    I found the video here. Starts about a minute in.

    https://m.facebook.com/NBC4Columbus/videos/267251811794354
    that link just brings me to a video of a bunch of guys on a boat playing chicken with a war ship. fucking idiots. 

    anyway, I saw the video on cnn. it looks to me in the video that the girl with the knife who got shot was trying to stab the girls in the pink. what are officer directives when it comes to someone's life being in danger? wouldn't shooting the assailant with the deadly weapon be justified?
    Huh, weird on the link issue.

    To your last questions, yes, the officer would be justified as there was a threat to others. They have a duty to act and if he doesn't shoot and she stabs the other girl, then this story gets buried because it's not a white cop shooting a black teen that hadn't yet killed or injured someone.


    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Guy kicking the girl in the head when she was down?  Anyone?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Guy kicking the girl in the head when she was down?  Anyone?
    I saw that the second time I watched it. fucking chaos. 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,770
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...


    No idea what this is from but I'm sure it supports whatever you are trying to get across...

    Police have the ability to not murder people 
    This moron should have been shot but I don't see any cops even near him?
    Kyle Rittenhouse. They are referring to when he tried to surrender and walked by several police cars.
    I dont think its the same, when police arrived he looked like the victim because a mob had chased him. They were unaware than he just shot 3 or 4 people.
    Compared to this case, it sounds like the girl had a knife and was actively trying to stab someone. I'm sure if it was anyone's daughter she was trying to stab, they'd be okay with the shooting. But as I said earlier, its still earlier and we should have all learned by now that there is often a lot of misinformation when these stories first break. So hard to form a strong opinion at this point. 
    this was taken AFTER he murdered those two people? I thought it was before. 
    Maybe. I have no idea when it was taken based on a still picture. But I'm pretty sure that was the point CM was trying to make when posting it. At least that was what came to my mind. 
    I remember the incident now.

    Guy got cornered, people attacked him, he shot them, they chased him.  He surrendered to the cops.

    Guy was looking for trouble, got it and then got to defend himself.

    Truth be told, if You're holding that rifle around your neck I am not engaging...

    Edit: The cops did not see him shoot the people.
    "Guy" is pretty generous... he was a minor who crossed state lines w/ an (obviously) illegally obtained gun. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...


    No idea what this is from but I'm sure it supports whatever you are trying to get across...

    Police have the ability to not murder people 
    This moron should have been shot but I don't see any cops even near him?
    Kyle Rittenhouse. They are referring to when he tried to surrender and walked by several police cars.
    I dont think its the same, when police arrived he looked like the victim because a mob had chased him. They were unaware than he just shot 3 or 4 people.
    Compared to this case, it sounds like the girl had a knife and was actively trying to stab someone. I'm sure if it was anyone's daughter she was trying to stab, they'd be okay with the shooting. But as I said earlier, its still earlier and we should have all learned by now that there is often a lot of misinformation when these stories first break. So hard to form a strong opinion at this point. 
    this was taken AFTER he murdered those two people? I thought it was before. 
    Maybe. I have no idea when it was taken based on a still picture. But I'm pretty sure that was the point CM was trying to make when posting it. At least that was what came to my mind. 
    I remember the incident now.

    Guy got cornered, people attacked him, he shot them, they chased him.  He surrendered to the cops.

    Guy was looking for trouble, got it and then got to defend himself.

    Truth be told, if You're holding that rifle around your neck I am not engaging...

    Edit: The cops did not see him shoot the people.
    "Guy" is pretty generous... he was a minor who crossed state lines w/ an (obviously) illegally obtained gun. 
    "young guy" then?  The kid was an idiot looking for trouble
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,827
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...


    No idea what this is from but I'm sure it supports whatever you are trying to get across...

    Police have the ability to not murder people 
    This moron should have been shot but I don't see any cops even near him?
    Kyle Rittenhouse. They are referring to when he tried to surrender and walked by several police cars.
    I dont think its the same, when police arrived he looked like the victim because a mob had chased him. They were unaware than he just shot 3 or 4 people.
    Compared to this case, it sounds like the girl had a knife and was actively trying to stab someone. I'm sure if it was anyone's daughter she was trying to stab, they'd be okay with the shooting. But as I said earlier, its still earlier and we should have all learned by now that there is often a lot of misinformation when these stories first break. So hard to form a strong opinion at this point. 
    this was taken AFTER he murdered those two people? I thought it was before. 
    Maybe. I have no idea when it was taken based on a still picture. But I'm pretty sure that was the point CM was trying to make when posting it. At least that was what came to my mind. 
    I remember the incident now.

    Guy got cornered, people attacked him, he shot them, they chased him.  He surrendered to the cops.

    Guy was looking for trouble, got it and then got to defend himself.

    Truth be told, if You're holding that rifle around your neck I am not engaging...

    Edit: The cops did not see him shoot the people.
    "Guy" is pretty generous... he was a minor who crossed state lines w/ an (obviously) illegally obtained gun. 
    "young guy" then?  The kid was an idiot looking for trouble
    I think all parties involved were looking for trouble that night. Unfortunately they found it. He shouldn't have been there to begin with. Why they would chase down and corner and attack a guy with an assault rifle is also beyond me.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,770

    He was a minor, who illegally obtained a gun and carried it across state lines to cosplay as what? A murderous cop? And he wasn't just looking for trouble, he was answering a call. 

    Let's stop glossing over his criminality and lets also not pretend that there wasn't a ton of other likeminded red neck psychos there chomping at the bit to murder some BLM protesters.

    Kyle Rittenhouse accomplished what he set out to, and to this day he's celebrated as a hero on the right - THAT is as big a problem as any in this country right now. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473

    He was a minor, who illegally obtained a gun and carried it across state lines to cosplay as what? A murderous cop? And he wasn't just looking for trouble, he was answering a call. 

    Let's stop glossing over his criminality and lets also not pretend that there wasn't a ton of other likeminded red neck psychos there chomping at the bit to murder some BLM protesters.

    Kyle Rittenhouse accomplished what he set out to, and to this day he's celebrated as a hero on the right - THAT is as big a problem as any in this country right now. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610

    He was a minor, who illegally obtained a gun and carried it across state lines to cosplay as what? A murderous cop? And he wasn't just looking for trouble, he was answering a call. 

    Let's stop glossing over his criminality and lets also not pretend that there wasn't a ton of other likeminded red neck psychos there chomping at the bit to murder some BLM protesters.

    Kyle Rittenhouse accomplished what he set out to, and to this day he's celebrated as a hero on the right - THAT is as big a problem as any in this country right now. 
    Pre-emptive self defense. Whatever claims he has to self-defense, I find the idea of people inserting themselves in situations like this and looking for an excuse to be very concerning. I hope it's not a going to be a trend (probably not; it's high risk).
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,074
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Well today they killed a 15 year old black girl who reportedly called them for help.  And people wonder why Defund the Police is a thing.  What a sad country.  Floyd’s murderer is held accountable, but the cop killings of black people continue
    Anybody watch this video?

    Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.

    The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.

    I don't know about this one...
    According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others.  Also she is a kid.
    Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?

    A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see.  Hindsight is out the window.

    Should the girl have been shot?  She was trying to knife someone else.  Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?

    It's a lose lose here.

    What would you have the cop do?
    Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,218

    He was a minor, who illegally obtained a gun and carried it across state lines to cosplay as what? A murderous cop? And he wasn't just looking for trouble, he was answering a call. 

    Let's stop glossing over his criminality and lets also not pretend that there wasn't a ton of other likeminded red neck psychos there chomping at the bit to murder some BLM protesters.

    Kyle Rittenhouse accomplished what he set out to, and to this day he's celebrated as a hero on the right - THAT is as big a problem as any in this country right now. 
    Why? We do it all the time. Or is it only ok if the cops would have killed him?
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