America's Gun Violence
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He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
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Imagine believing in 2021 that systemic racism doesn't exist in America, specifically in America's police forces?
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In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.0 -
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.0 -
So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was reversed, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident.Bentleyspop said:
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. Saying that cops don't go around and executing random black people for no reason every day is not saying there is not a race issue and that there are not unjustified shootings. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
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We know almost nothing about this King Sooper shooter. The last I heard the police would not even confirm the guy covered in blood and lead away in handcuffs was even the suspect. They would not confirm if he was injured. So we don't know what happen. To be out here already saying "if he was black...." its just playing the race card way too early. Maybe he was shot multiple times and just got lucky vital organs were missed. Or maybe he had body armor. Or maybe he was shot in the head and was non fatal. So why are some of you already playing the race card on this when there are almost zero facts out?0
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Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.mace1229 said:
So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident.Bentleyspop said:
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
Yes, and that's already been discussed by me and others. Profiling probably did play a role in why the cop didn't wait. That shooting was sad and wrong. But there is a huge difference between executing someone who you believe to be unarmed and has already given up, and rushing to false judgement.dankind said:
Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.mace1229 said:
So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident.Bentleyspop said:
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it.
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"Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest."mace1229 said:
Yes, and that's already been discussed by me and others. Profiling probably did play a role in why the cop didn't wait. That shooting was sad and wrong. But there is a huge difference between executing someone who you believe to be unarmed and has already given up, and rushing to false judgement.dankind said:
Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.mace1229 said:
So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident.Bentleyspop said:
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it.
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Yes, that was not correct. I should have said every incident that immediately comes to mind. And even then there are some examples like Tamir Rice, who did not resist.dignin said:
"Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest."mace1229 said:
Yes, and that's already been discussed by me and others. Profiling probably did play a role in why the cop didn't wait. That shooting was sad and wrong. But there is a huge difference between executing someone who you believe to be unarmed and has already given up, and rushing to false judgement.dankind said:
Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.mace1229 said:
So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident.Bentleyspop said:
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it.
This statement is completely false.
But still is not an example of a cop walking up and randomly shooting a person in the head because they are black. Had Tamir not been playing with a toy gun he would not have been shot. Also true if he was white the cop may have waited a few extra seconds. Either way, I don't see how that plays into this conversation. A cop sees a black man sitting down who had given up, like in the article you gave (except white), he is not going to walk up and shoot him in the head. You really believe in that story you shared, if the murderer was black, and found sitting down, unarmed, giving himself up, the police would be more likely to shoot him that arrest him?
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Getting shot in the street shouldn't be the penalty for resisting arrest.
Full stop.
Amadou Diallo was trying to go home & caught over 40 bullets. He was trying to enter his home and he was reaching for his wallet.
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Update on republican plans to deal with mass shootings....
1. Thoughts and prayers
2. Voice support for nra and get more financial support from nra.
3. Increase access to assault weapons
4. Blame liberal socialist dems
5. Repeat 1, 2, and 4
6.. Denounce latest shooter as Muslim terrorist
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8. Oppose legislation that would deny gun sales to those on terrorist watch lists or no-fly lists. Because terrorists can be "responsible" gun owners too.Bentleyspop said:Update on republican plans to deal with mass shootings....
1. Thoughts and prayers
2. Voice support for nra and get more financial support from nra.
3. Increase access to assault weapons
4. Blame liberal socialist dems
5. Repeat 1, 2, and 4
6.. Denounce latest shooter as Muslim terrorist
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I shared the story of Philando Castile.mace1229 said:
Yes, that was not correct. I should have said every incident that immediately comes to mind. And even then there are some examples like Tamir Rice, who did not resist.dignin said:
"Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest."mace1229 said:
Yes, and that's already been discussed by me and others. Profiling probably did play a role in why the cop didn't wait. That shooting was sad and wrong. But there is a huge difference between executing someone who you believe to be unarmed and has already given up, and rushing to false judgement.dankind said:
Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.mace1229 said:
So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident.Bentleyspop said:
My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.mace1229 said:
In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”Bentleyspop said:
He wasn't sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point.mace1229 said:
Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.gimmesometruth27 said:
honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.Bentleyspop said:
tell that to the black community
I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
Or will you?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree.
And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it.
This statement is completely false.
But still is not an example of a cop walking up and randomly shooting a person in the head because they are black. Had Tamir not been playing with a toy gun he would not have been shot. Also true if he was white the cop may have waited a few extra seconds. Either way, I don't see how that plays into this conversation. A cop sees a black man sitting down who had given up, like in the article you gave (except white), he is not going to walk up and shoot him in the head. You really believe in that story you shared, if the murderer was black, and found sitting down, unarmed, giving himself up, the police would be more likely to shoot him that arrest him?0 -
Nothing can be done. And I thought it was whenever a dem POTUS was elected? Quick, stock up everyone, get them while you can because soon you won't be able to get them at all. Hurry now.
While mourning the loss of the 10 people killed in the mass shooting in the Boulder, Colo., Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), an outspoken gun-rights advocate, said now was not the time to “advance a political agenda.”
“While some elected officials have already started using this shooting to advance a political agenda, I refuse to do so,” Boebert said in a news release. “I will not blame society at large for the sick actions of one man and I will not allow lawbreakers to dictate the rights of law-abiding citizens.”
Boebert, who has displayed guns in the background during interviews and virtual House committee hearings and owns a gun-themed restaurant in Colorado, cited Mr. Rogers’ advice to “look for the helpers” as she honored Eric Talley, the Boulder police officer who was among the victims in the shooting.
“Mr. Talley made the ultimate sacrifice while protecting his community,” she said. “His bravery and heroism will not be forgotten.”
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) accused Democrats of using gun violence to advance their politics, calling their proposals “theater” to take people’s firearms away.
“Every time there’s a shooting, we play this ridiculous theater where this committee gets together and proposes a bunch of laws that would do nothing to stop these murders,” Cruz said in an opening statement during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence. “What happens in this committee after every mass shooting is Democrats propose taking away guns from law-abiding citizens because that’s their political objective.”
Cruz said he and Sen. Charles E. Grassley (Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, are reintroducing legislation to make it illegal for criminals and those with serious mental illness to purchase guns.
“Let’s target the bad guys, the felons, the fugitives, those with mental disease,” Cruz said. “Let’s put them in jail. Let’s stop them from getting guns. Let’s not scapegoat innocent, law-abiding citizens and let’s not target their Constitution.”
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Start.Merkin Baller said:
Getting shot in the street shouldn't be the penalty for resisting arrest.
Full stop.
Amadou Diallo was trying to go home & caught over 40 bullets. He was trying to enter his home and he was reaching for his wallet.
That was over 20 years ago and nothing's changed.
I can't recall anyone in this history of this thread, or anywhere else for that matter, claiming that it should be.
The question was why didn't police walk up to this shooter and shoot him in the head. And some claimed it was because he was white, and that if he was black they would have. I disagreed with that. Especially since almost nothing is known about the investigation or the circumstances of the arrest at this point, or even if the shooter was injured, so those claims are baseless at this point. Never said shooting is the appropriate penalty for resisting arrest.
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I missed it. Where does it say he’s a Muslim??? Are you basing that off his name??? Or are you just stereotyping???Bentleyspop said:Give Peas A Chance…0
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