Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

http://www.antifa.com

If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 

Strange indeed!  WTF?

My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 

That is exactly what happened.

I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!

You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?

The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.

Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.

I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.

Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?

If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
“Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
 and
” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.

So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?

Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.

And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”

So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 

So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 

Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?

Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 

You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.

Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

"I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."

I thought Biden had a great response today.

With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 

Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?

Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

http://www.antifa.com

If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 

Strange indeed!  WTF?

My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 

That is exactly what happened.

I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!

You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?

The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.

Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.

I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.

Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?

If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
“Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
 and
” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.

So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?

Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?

Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too.
Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.

Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.

Stop lying. I didn't say MS 13 is a made up hoax. Why do Trump and his supporters always have to resort to making stuff up? Go back and read my first responses before you asked the questions, the answers are there.

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

JW269453 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Posted this in the Biden thread but I guess it could go here to. What's going on here?

http://www.antifa.com

If you don't trust my link, just type it into your browser yourself. 

Strange indeed!  WTF?

My guess is that someone (who may not even be affiliated with the Biden campaign) bought that URL and set it up to redirect to Biden's website? Or...it could very much be someone affiliated with the campaign. Or it could even be an agitator trying to link Antifa to Biden. Who knows? But it's very strange. 

That is exactly what happened.

I can't  believe that people actually believe that Antifa is actually a thing.

All Antifa is is the boogeyman that the piece-of-shit-in-chief says is sleeping under your bed.

Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!

You don't think Antifa and MS13 are real?

The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.

But here you and others are fretting in your boots seriously concerned, chasing the little glowing dot that Trump wants you to chase. Meanwhile he's compromising your democracy, grifting the country of billions and that isn't even on your radar.

You're being duped. Willingly at this point, because there is no other excuse.

Funny. The exact same thing can be said about those in fear of being killed by the police, but here we are. 

I've had dozens of interactions with police in my lifetime. I'm sure we all have. Most of them good, a few bad. I've never felt in danger, but I'm white and have always lived in relatively affluent places. I do have empathy for anyone not white dealing with police, almost all seem to have a story where they have dealt with racism from a cop. I see that as a pretty large problem, effecting millions of people negatively.

Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned I guess.

I've never knowingly had an interaction with a serial rapist. I guess we shouldnt be concerned about them?

I don't get the logic of it doesnt impact me, so why should I care. WHich is what this sounds like? You've never suffered from the hands of a gang member, so we shouldnt care or worry about them. Anyone who is concerned, is being duped.

Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?

If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
“Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
 and
” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.

So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?

Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?

Those were literally your quotes, didn’t make that up. Kinda hard to take a conversation seriously, thinking MS13 is a made up hoax is on par with think covid is made up too.
Forgive me for missing your question after reading through 30 posts. I’ll answer, even though you dodged my question twice.

Systemic racism is real. I also believe most of the issues are less directly about race, but other factors that race has influenced, mostly poverty. Poverty is one of the biggest factors when it comes to violence and crime and gangs, and because of generations of racism it impacts minorities and blacks more. This also applies to policing. Not that pure racism doesn’t exist, but poverty is a bigger factor than just race. But as mentioned, generations of racism has impacted poverty, so yes systemic racism in that form exists.

Stop lying. I didn't say MS 13 is a made up hoax. Why do Trump and his supporters always have to resort to making stuff up? Go back and read my first responses before you asked the questions, the answers are there.

You just called it a hoax, twice. I didn’t make that up. You said you haven’t interacted with anyone from MS13 and therefore is of no concern. I quoted you in that a couple replies ago. I’ve asked you twice to clarify and you just respond by saying I’m making stuff up. What am I suppose to infer by that? I have to conclude you believe they aren’t a threat and the violence isn’t real, or made up.

I’ve never claimed to be a trump supporter. I don’t like Trump, I thought Hilary was an equally bad option, and think the same of Biden. I’d vote third party except I’ve always thought of third party votes as a copout, just a way to get the I voted sticker without taking any responsibility of a vote. So I’m not sure what I’m doing this election.

You can infer that I don't like it when people say I say stuff that I didn't say. Honesty is kinda a big thing for me. If I said that, it's really easy to quote it and highlight it. 

It's really easy to admit when you're wrong, I've done it already today when I misread someone's comment.

Also, glad to see you no longer support Trump.

bbiggs said:

Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop.  So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next.  There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next.  This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it.  Think about that for a second.  I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand.  I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-31/man-fatally-shot-by-los-angeles-county-deputy-in-westmont%3f_amp=true

Glorified KC said:

bbiggs said:

Apparently a black man was shot and killed in LA yesterday after running from cops, punching a cop in the face once they caught up to him and armed with a handgun in a bag that he dropped upon punching the cop.  So the obvious reaction is outrage, protesting and likely rioting next.  There is an ongoing investigation, so I’ll wait for all of the facts to come out before rushing to judgement, but I’m becoming concerned that cops won’t be able to do anything to violent and/or armed criminals before long; at least not without the serious backlash of what comes next.  This man punched a cop in the face while holding a bag with a gun in it.  Think about that for a second.  I know, I know....he didn’t have the gun in his hand.  I’ll say it for you. But what are cops supposed to do? Take a shot to the face and then hold their hands in the air until he reaches for the gun? I think a non-lethal shot should have been used in this case. That’s the part I don’t understand. Take his leg out rather than shoot to kill, but in the heat of the moment, split second decisions need to be made and we don’t know if the gun was within reach of the criminal. I just think we’re on a very slippery slope here where a cop cannot even do his/her job when someone is violent, armed and dangerous (this man was all three).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-31/man-fatally-shot-by-los-angeles-county-deputy-in-westmont%3f_amp=true

Can there be reform in how to initially apprehend a suspect?  It seems like more often than not this starts with resistance and escalates.  I'm not in the camp of taking away a police officers right toward forceful apprehension, but it's the escalation that usually leads to something grave.  What can be done from law enforcement's end to prevent escalation?  Maybe nothing in this particular situation, but more often that not it seems to ramp up without a cop being punched in the face or something of the like.