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  • Posts: 9,478
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Here's a screencap from the Instagram of the guy that shot the Trump supporter...where he says he's "100 % Antifa"




    And apparently, early on July 5th, he was cited on allegations of possessing a loaded gun in a public place, resisting arrest and interfering with police. "He was given a date to appear in court later that month, but the allegations were dropped on July 30 with a “no complaint,” according to court records. The documents don’t indicate why prosecutors decided not to pursue the accusations. Reinoehl spent no time behind bars."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html?utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    it was only a matter of time. and then in a few days, that sack of shit press sec will explain it away as trump being misunderstood (more lies). 

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    dignin said:
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    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
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    dignin said:
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    Didn't say that. You're now twisting the point.

    Which do you think is the bigger problem in America today. Systemic racism or MS 13/Antifa?
    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
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    dignin said:
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    Authorities have not yet identified a suspect in Danielson's death


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/governor-brown-portland-plan-curb-protests/index.html

    Wait what? The way you guys have been talking I thought they arrested the guy.
    He’s just being investigated right now. 

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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    And a witness is quoted as saying the victim sprayed bear spray before he was shot. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
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    Bentleyspop said:
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    Yup they exist
    But they are NOT a threat to the average American.
    Once again it is just a FEAR tactic being spun by the lying racist xenophobic piece-of-shit-in-chief. 
    Its like the Red Scare of the 1950s. Communists were not an actual threat to average Americans but republicans wanted people to believe it.
    Again, so things need to be a common threat to the average person to be of enough concern to do anything about it?
    When I hear about MS13 I don’t think of just them, but all gang violence. MS13 is just often considered the most violent.
    I don’t live in fear of gang violence. But it’s a problem. A big problem. A much bigger problem than police killings from any measure.
    The single biggest factor of gun violence is gangs. The biggest killer of blacks are other blacks, most of that is gang violence.  Gang activity is a large contribution to the jail system. 
    It’s taboo and will often get you call racist for bringing up those facts, but treats what they are, facts. Police violence isn’t even a dot on the radar when compared to gang violence. 
    Again, that doesn’t mean I’m not for police reform. But why can’t we talk about gangs? It’s not the boogeyman, it’s the bigger issue if anything.
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    So it sounds the same as the two that were killed by the 17-year-old in Kenosha. Running towards a person holding a semi-automatic is “playing a stupid game” 
    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

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    The sheriff of Kenosha is clearly angling for a cabinet position in the current regime....


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    edited September 2020
    josevolution said:
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    So we’re all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you that’s where we’re at! It can only go up from here , Putin has won mission accomplished! 

    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
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    edited September 2020
    mace1229 said:
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    If you believe I am twisting your point then I would be curious to know what you meant by
    “Can't say I've ever knowingly had an interaction with MS 13 or antifa. If I was a fascist or a gangster, I might be more concerned“
     and
    ” The point is on the list of things that are a threat to you and your loved ones there are probably at least a 1000 things more dangerous.”
    After telling us MS13 is a hoax and we’re being duped.
    If that truly is your logic, there’s 1000 things that kill more blacks than cops. And your reasoning for not being “concerned” with gang violoncello or MS13 violence is that it doesn’t directly affect you. Those are your words, not mine.
    So I am very curious what you meant then after telling me I should only be concerned with things that impact me directly and that are on the top of the list.
    If were only supposed to be concerned with the bigger problems, police are far more likely to be killed than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Black on black deaths are 300 times bigger than unarmed blacks being shot and killed. Not saying we shouldn’t work towards better policing, but just going off your words, why aren’t we focusing on the bigger pictures?
    Jesus, you keep making shit up. MS 13 is a hoax just for one. Missed where I said that. 

    And you didn't answer my question. I will make it even easier, do you believe there is systemic racism? Do you believe that the police have a systemic racism problem?


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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    I'm not good with that at all. I'm suggesting Halifax is when I said that in response to him. Well...not that he's "all good with one for one you kill one of us we kill one of you." But when he said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," he's very much implying that the victim had it coming, or that the victim's actions caused his death. Under that logic, the same would be applied to the victims of the Kenosha shootings. 
    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
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    edited September 2020
    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    Which they had been by PJPower, if memory serves. If I were the accused, my defense is, “I thought the spray can was a gun and I feared for my life.” Sound about right? Is this where someone tells me to express sympathy for the victim or is it appropriate to label the victim a “deplorable,” or the winner of a stupid prize for playing a stupid game? Just asking.

    See, the difference is that I stand with Sleepy Woke Joe and his attitude and leadership on this. Who do you stand with and who’s leadership do you side with?
    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden and Trump because we're not even talking about them. But since you're interested for some reason, if the comparison is Biden's attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good. 
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    Yeah, that's the defense he should go with if someone was attacking him with something. 

    No one gives a shit about you expressing sympathy or labeling anything. Since you're asking.

    And I don't know why you're bringing up Biden. But if the comparison is his attitude and leadership versus Trump's, I guess I'd take Biden's. 
    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    You “guess?” Need a little more time to pass before you’re certain?

    Maybe after tomorrow you won’t have to guess.
    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    Well I added to it with an edit as you were responding.....

    "I guess I'd take Biden's. Just because Trump's the worst though. Not because Biden is any good."
    I thought Biden had a great response today.
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    dignin said:
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    I thought Biden had a great response today.
    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    The low bar being incitement? Well yeah, I guess it can't get any lower than that.

    But I'm sure it made a few people here happy. Anything to stick it to Antifa.
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
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    With the low bar set by Trump, sure, it was fine. Whoever wrote it had him say the right things. I would like to see him take questions at some point though, from someone other than Cardi B. 
    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    Has your third party candidate said anything regarding the riots? Taken any questions about it and the causes?
    Nope. Just like Biden, the major party candidate. I guess that’s just the way of it these days. 
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