America's Gun Violence

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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    White privilege.
    yeah I thought about placing it in that thread.  Odd that white privledge and gun violence do go hand in hand a lot.   Has anyone posted the crazy old racist lady resisting arrest in Florida without getting a knee on her neck in the White Privledge thread yet?
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    mace1229 said:
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    He was shot multiple times.
    Ha, exactly!  Maybe the officers said “well, he’s white, so let’s try to just shoot him in the ass and leg”...or more likely the fella is lucky that he didn’t get hit somewhere more severe in the gunfight.  Not to mention, your chance of bleeding out and dying is still pretty high if you are shot in the leg.  Most likely it was just where the hail of gunfire managed to connect (either due to cover or positioning).  
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    Would love to see the body cam footage, if it exists so maybe it could be compared to those police tactics where unarmed black people are shot to death?
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    Does anyone here really believe that if the perp in the PA cigar store were Black, shot at someone and then opened fire on the police with two firearms, their attorney would be saying how fortunate they are to have only been shot in the ass and leg? You guys really believe that? Where have you been for the past 20 years (at least)?

    Yea, ha, ha.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    In his ass and leg. I thought standard police response to an armed threat, one who already had shot at people and should have been considered “armed and dangerous,” was to shoot at body mass? I guess unless you’re white?
    So you are proposing that, while under fire, multiple police officers shot many times and intentionally hit him only twice. Once in the keg and once in the butt. And completely missing with every other shot?

    Seems more more logical to me that while under fire the police were probably weren’t taking careful aim at the butt and keg and just more concerned about returning fire. And he’s lucky to only have been hit twice. That seems more logical to me. But you can stick with your sniper leg with a handgun while under fire from an AK-47 theory.
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    mace1229 said:
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    So you are proposing that, while under fire, multiple police officers shot many times and intentionally hit him only twice. Once in the keg and once in the butt. And completely missing with every other shot?

    Seems more more logical to me that while under fire the police were probably weren’t taking careful aim at the butt and keg and just more concerned about returning fire. And he’s lucky to only have been hit twice. That seems more logical to me. But you can stick with your sniper leg with a handgun while under fire from an AK-47 theory.
    I’m positing that they exhibited great restraint and didn’t shoot to kill like they probably would have had the “responsible “ gun owner been black. You can stick with your minimization of how armed and unarmed white and black “perpetrators” are treated by law enforcement in ‘Murica.
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    PJPOWER said:
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    Ha, exactly!  Maybe the officers said “well, he’s white, so let’s try to just shoot him in the ass and leg”...or more likely the fella is lucky that he didn’t get hit somewhere more severe in the gunfight.  Not to mention, your chance of bleeding out and dying is still pretty high if you are shot in the leg.  Most likely it was just where the hail of gunfire managed to connect (either due to cover or positioning).  
    Most people survive shootings. The number of people who are injured by guns is much larger than those killed by guns. That’s why every weekend when you hear about Chicago it’s like 65 shooting victims and 12 deaths. 
    But for some reason when it’s a white guy shot by police logic doesn’t matter. The police must have gotten together, under fire, and came up with a strategy to only injure the guy wielding an assault rifle, putting their own lives on the line to do so. It doesn’t matter he’s unloading an assault rifle on us, lets just get one good leg shot in and then miss a bunch so it’s not obvious. Yeah, that makes sense.
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    Yeah. Police departments teach their officers to dodge bullets while determining race, then return fire following the "target area by race" guidelines.
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    JW269453 said:
    Yeah. Police departments teach their officers to dodge bullets while determining race, then return fire following the "target area by race" guidelines.
    His race was widely known. His shootout with the police was the following day near his house while they waited for him to come home.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    I’m positing that they exhibited great restraint and didn’t shoot to kill like they probably would have had the “responsible “ gun owner been black. You can stick with your minimization of how armed and unarmed white and black “perpetrators” are treated by law enforcement in ‘Murica.
    So my assumption was accurate. You believe, while under fire from an assault rifle, they intentionally shot at his leg because he was white. No way I buy that. Doesn’t matter what color the guy is. 
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    mace1229 said:
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    So my assumption was accurate. You believe, while under fire from an assault rifle, they intentionally shot at his leg because he was white. No way I buy that. Doesn’t matter what color the guy is. 
    As is my assumption. How many cops were involved? How many shots did they fire? It’s not a one on one shootout, in all likelihood. You believe if the perp was black, he only would have been hit twice?
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    His race was widely known. His shootout with the police was the following day near his house while they waited for him to come home.
    The fact that you think his race was on the minds of the officers engaged in a shootout with him is a stretch. "I hope I survive this without fatally injuring the nice white man shooting at me, the wife is making pork chops tonight"


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    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    As is my assumption. How many cops were involved? How many shots did they fire? It’s not a one on one shootout, in all likelihood. You believe if the perp was black, he only would have been hit twice?
    I believe if a guy is shooting at cops with an ak-47, they are going to return fire to eliminate the risk no matter what color he is. And yes, he would have likely survived even being black. More people survive gunshots than die. Even for trained police, the hit rate for an active gunfight is like 10%. No way they were aiming for his leg. He got lucky. Race doesn’t play a role in luck.
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    edited August 2020
    Not too long ago...

    https://whyy.org/articles/more-than-60-new-charges-for-alleged-gunman-in-north-philly-police-standoff/

    Black man shoots 6 officers and leaves in cuffs...must not have been black enough?
    Maybe those damn racist cops thought he was white?
    Look, I don’t ignore the fact that white privilege is a real thing, but it is tiring that some people claim “white privilege” in some of these situations.  Those idiots are only fueling the racism fire.

     
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    PJPOWER said:
    Not too long ago...

    https://whyy.org/articles/more-than-60-new-charges-for-alleged-gunman-in-north-philly-police-standoff/

    Black man shoots 6 officers and leaves in cuffs...must not have been black enough?
    Maybe those damn racist cops thought he was white?
    Look, I don’t ignore the fact that white privilege is a real thing, but it is tiring that some people claim “white privilege” in some of these situations.  Those idiots are only fueling the racism fire.

     
    It does more damage in my opinion. 
    This is isn’t the only cause of course. But young black men are being taught to physically fight back against cops. I’ve heard parents say they tell their kids if a cop approaches you don’t cooperate. After Rayshard Brooks, I saw an interview on CNN. I forget who the guest was and what show, so I can’t provide a clip. But the guest said Brooks did what he had to do to survive. He knew the cops approached him with plans to kill him and if he got in the back seat of that car he was dead. So his only option was to take the taser and use it. And of course the CNN anchor agreed. That is so absurd. And he just gotten in the car he would be out of jail on a suspended license right now.

    Hundreds if thousands of police interactions happen every day and we hear of almost none of them because they go down without incident. Saying every white guy who survives did so because he’s white is ridiculous. Saying every black man who died because he’s blacked is also ridiculous. Race doesn’t play a role is the majority of it. But we need to improve so We can drop that 3 or 5% it is a factor in down to 0. Because I can agree, it unfortunately is a factor some of the time, just not in every instance that some want you to believe it is.
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    mace1229 said:
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    It does more damage in my opinion. 
    This is isn’t the only cause of course. But young black men are being taught to physically fight back against cops. I’ve heard parents say they tell their kids if a cop approaches you don’t cooperate. After Rayshard Brooks, I saw an interview on CNN. I forget who the guest was and what show, so I can’t provide a clip. But the guest said Brooks did what he had to do to survive. He knew the cops approached him with plans to kill him and if he got in the back seat of that car he was dead. So his only option was to take the taser and use it. And of course the CNN anchor agreed. That is so absurd. And he just gotten in the car he would be out of jail on a suspended license right now.

    Hundreds if thousands of police interactions happen every day and we hear of almost none of them because they go down without incident. Saying every white guy who survives did so because he’s white is ridiculous. Saying every black man who died because he’s blacked is also ridiculous. Race doesn’t play a role is the majority of it. But we need to improve so We can drop that 3 or 5% it is a factor in down to 0. Because I can agree, it unfortunately is a factor some of the time, just not in every instance that some want you to believe it is.
    I concur
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    You gun nutters are all over the place with your logic. More guns is the answer yet cops, who I’d expect would be required to be more proficient with firearms, only strike their target 10% of the time in an active shootout. Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police but because you could find one example of a Black guy walking away with handcuffs after a shootout with cops, race doesn’t, or in this instance, didn’t come into play. If the perp were Black, they would have been waiting outside his house in an armored personnel carrier and he wouldn’t have been allowed to get in his truck and drive away. And they would have made Swiss cheese of him. GTFOH with you’re “race played no part.” 
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    You are saying the only reason this guy survived is because he is white, and if he was black you know without a shadow of doubt he would not have. You can make this about whatever you want, but it isn't that complex. It is a simple difference of opinion, and you got what you were after.
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    JW269453 said:
    You are saying the only reason this guy survived is because he is white, and if he was black you know without a shadow of doubt he would not have. You can make this about whatever you want, but it isn't that complex. It is a simple difference of opinion, and you got what you were after.
    What was it, “I was after?”


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    edited August 2020
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You gun nutters are all over the place with your logic. More guns is the answer yet cops, who I’d expect would be required to be more proficient with firearms, only strike their target 10% of the time in an active shootout. Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police but because you could find one example of a Black guy walking away with handcuffs after a shootout with cops, race doesn’t, or in this instance, didn’t come into play. If the perp were Black, they would have been waiting outside his house in an armored personnel carrier and he wouldn’t have been allowed to get in his truck and drive away. And they would have made Swiss cheese of him. GTFOH with you’re “race played no part.” 
    You do realize a gun fight isn’t like shooting  at a sitting target? They usually last a few seconds and in that time you’re running for cover, the target is moving and shooting. 10-15% seems pretty reasonable in those circumstances. But because I believe in stats that makes me a gun nutter I guess.

    i didnt said race never plays a role. But in this case it didn’t. They shot at him multiple times. You seem to think the cops intentionally miss a guy shooting at them with an assault rifle because he’s white, and if he was black they’d aim better and have hit vital parts and not just the leg. That’s ridiculous.
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