New York Times and MSNBC resignations

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

didn't know until recently that kellyanne and george have a daughter. and she is HARDCORE against her mother. that really says something about a person. 

I disagree. She’s only mid-teens, 15 or so, and she’s all over the map on this. Sometimes railing against her mother, at other times posting that she’s an amazing, strong woman. Sometimes railing against her dad, other times aligning with him. I think she’s just a typical teen who is getting too much attention for who her parents are. The relationships are being fractured in a very public way and I think that’s very sad. 

interesting. i checked out her twitter page and all i saw was her railing against mom. guess i didn't dig deep enough. 

bootlegger10 said:

This is a big deal.  I think it is clear the role that 24 hour cable news has played in the deterioration of U.S. politics.  The country is more polarized.  People get their news from soundbites and pundits instead of reading the newspapers (that had separate editorial sections) and watching the 30 minute evening news.   It isn't like politics was civil prior, but it is just so much worse.    The U.S. is heading down a terrible path where it will not be possible to be able to be in the middle or neutral on anything.   If you are against statues being torn down then you are automatically a racist, or if you support the right to choice you are a murderer. 

The Juggler said:

Blaming Independents is a new one. I don't know if I've heard that before...

What if they all decided to just blindly vote republican? You think that's going to make the country better? Or even if they all went democrat?

I see it differently. I think Independents are like the swing vote on the Supreme Court. They're important because they, in theory, are there to draw both parties more to the center and it forces more bipartisan efforts. I think our country is better when the center has more control rather than one far right or far left agenda being slammed through.

mickeyrat said:

The Juggler said:

Blaming Independents is a new one. I don't know if I've heard that before...

What if they all decided to just blindly vote republican? You think that's going to make the country better? Or even if they all went democrat?

I see it differently. I think Independents are like the swing vote on the Supreme Court. They're important because they, in theory, are there to draw both parties more to the center and it forces more bipartisan efforts. I think our country is better when the center has more control rather than one far right or far left agenda being slammed through.

I's are to blame, huh? Well, if the two parties werent so much alike and WE the plurality had a viable actual choice based on OUR values and political leanings we would have a vastly different political discourse.

As a registered I , I dont recall any candidate ever asking me what was important to me. closed primaries further shut me out of who a candidate will be.

So from my seat and experience, I have the distinct feeling both parties would rather I stay home. I'll be damned if thats hsppening.

so you party affiliated motherfuckers wanna lay the blame on me. give me better voice in candidates snd llatform, otherwise I have a bannable suggestion for you.

Parksy said:

These are just some personal opinions that I think are related...  keep in mind I'm a Canuck. 

I watch CNN generally for my news on what's happening in the States.  But even years and years ago I knew to always double check things especially if they're relevant.  And every so often check Fox to see what their discussing.  It's awful that the public now has to find their way through  the weeds to see clear waters.

I find that what's happened with television news is that it's become a huge driver for ad money and ratings, not journalism.  And this applies to all aspects of the political spectrum.  News and politics in America have become like sports.  (Please feel free to discuss that) I see ads on CNN promoting town hall debates being promoted like it's the super bowl.  The music, the design, the "Wow!" factor all play like a Hollywood movie trailer. And from what I can see, Fox News and the rest are no different.  

Much like sports too, once you have a team it just becomes so hard to cheer for it's rival... which is insane... because it's news, not sports.  One would think.

It's neat to see the contrast with most Canadian news shows but not all. They're mostly boring. Which I think is good.  They'll say "Stuff got discussed in the House of Commons today" ... and then show the idiots discussing the stuff like children. They don't add their own flare or opinion to it, they just tell you what's going on and move on to the next thing.  

That said... it shouldn't go without mentioning that politicians are worse.  Just like the media outlets they BOTH criticize, they conveniently forget or leave out any information that makes their party or political leader look bad whether it's the truth or not. (Trudeau)   But the very worst of all is Trump himself.  In my opinion, he obviously knew what the landscape looked like before taking office and he pretty much put it on steroids.   Wishful thinking, but it would be nice if a POTUS put the burning bag of shit out, instead of dousing gasoline on it.  Trump being the one with the gasoline... but to be honest, nothing has convinced me that a guy like Biden would be the one to put out the fire or call out ALL of these corporate controlled "News" organizations. But I feel he won't douse gas, which is nice. 

As a few of you on here have suggested... the problem with America is that nobody seems to know who or what to believe.  Start trusting yourself. Do your own homework. Watch or read as many outlets as you can. And figure out who the journalists are and who the pundits are... and understand that yes there is a difference. Read the Pearl Jam forum but every once in a while check out Kid Rock's as well... you never know what you might find and odds are, you'll probably be entertained and slightly frightened but at least you'll know you tried!

Lately this Jonathan Swan fellow and Chris Wallace seem to be of good character. Why?  Because they ask questions that people want to know the answers to and bite back a bit when a greasy politician like Trump tries to weasel his way around the question. 

I highly recommend the following Jack Johnson songs for delightful reference as well:

Cookie Jar
News  (or Bad News)

Lerxst1992 said:

The Juggler said:

Blaming Independents is a new one. I don't know if I've heard that before...

What if they all decided to just blindly vote republican? You think that's going to make the country better? Or even if they all went democrat?

I see it differently. I think Independents are like the swing vote on the Supreme Court. They're important because they, in theory, are there to draw both parties more to the center and it forces more bipartisan efforts. I think our country is better when the center has more control rather than one far right or far left agenda being slammed through.

We know what each party brings to the table. Sometimes occams razor fits the bill.

The US will not change in any meaningful direction swinging back and forth in 4 to 8 year increments. We know what the GOP will do. Tax cuts for the rich, criminalize abortions and guns for all.

Either you believe that's the best path or you dont.