America's Gun Violence

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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,211
    oftenreading said:
    dudeman said:
    And in other news: Tens of millions of gun owners didn't shoot anyone or negligently allow others access to their firearms. 

    If only that were the case for all of them. Unfortunately, it's not. 
    You are correct. Not all, but certainly "most".
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,132
    How does someone with 230 felony charges against them obtain firearms? 

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    How does someone with 230 felony charges against them obtain firearms? 

    That has to be a typo.  Doesn't Florida have the 3 strikes rule?  If he was convicted of a felony 3 times he'd be in prison.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,132
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    How does someone with 230 felony charges against them obtain firearms? 

    That has to be a typo.  Doesn't Florida have the 3 strikes rule?  If he was convicted of a felony 3 times he'd be in prison.
    One article I read said 15 felony convictions with two stints in the pen. Known to local law enforcement since he was 12. White privilege?
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;

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  • dudeman
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    How does someone with 230 felony charges against them obtain firearms? 

    Not legally, that's for sure.

    230 felony charges.... Makes we wonder what happened in the courtroom that allowed this asshole to be out and about with the other humans.

    Seems like a major failure of our legal system. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

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    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;

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  • static111
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

    https://apple.news/AHlycOXU4SfivMWD9knV2Ow
    A guy drove through the group of protesters.  One protester had his gun and approached the vehicle with it leveled and got shot.  Can’t help but think that had he not had a gun he would be alive and the sick head that drove through the march would be in jail for a long time.  
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  • PJPOWER
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    edited July 2020
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

    https://apple.news/AHlycOXU4SfivMWD9knV2Ow
    A guy drove through the group of protesters.  One protester had his gun and approached the vehicle with it leveled and got shot.  Can’t help but think that had he not had a gun he would be alive and the sick head that drove through the march would be in jail for a long time.  
    If he “leveled” the gun as you said, this is going to be a pretty open and shut self defense case.  Haven’t seen a great video on this.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

    https://apple.news/AHlycOXU4SfivMWD9knV2Ow
    A guy drove through the group of protesters.  One protester had his gun and approached the vehicle with it leveled and got shot.  Can’t help but think that had he not had a gun he would be alive and the sick head that drove through the march would be in jail for a long time.  
    If he “leveled” the gun as you said, this is going to be a pretty open and shut self defense case.  Haven’t seen a great video on this.
    After the car sped through the group of protestors and struck a barrier.  So the shooter isn’t scot free in the situation 
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • PJPOWER
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    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

    https://apple.news/AHlycOXU4SfivMWD9knV2Ow
    A guy drove through the group of protesters.  One protester had his gun and approached the vehicle with it leveled and got shot.  Can’t help but think that had he not had a gun he would be alive and the sick head that drove through the march would be in jail for a long time.  
    If he “leveled” the gun as you said, this is going to be a pretty open and shut self defense case.  Haven’t seen a great video on this.
    After the car sped through the group of protestors and struck a barrier.  So the shooter isn’t scot free in the situation 
    I didn’t read that initially, so I’ll wait for more evidence to be released before drawing further conclusions.  The videos I have seen don’t show much.
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

    https://apple.news/AHlycOXU4SfivMWD9knV2Ow
    A guy drove through the group of protesters.  One protester had his gun and approached the vehicle with it leveled and got shot.  Can’t help but think that had he not had a gun he would be alive and the sick head that drove through the march would be in jail for a long time.  
    If he “leveled” the gun as you said, this is going to be a pretty open and shut self defense case.  Haven’t seen a great video on this.
    After the car sped through the group of protestors and struck a barrier.  So the shooter isn’t scot free in the situation 
    I didn’t read that initially, so I’ll wait for more evidence to be released before drawing further conclusions.  The videos I have seen don’t show much.
    I live in Austin and have been involved in the protests. Only skipped last night because it’s my daughters bday weekend
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More guns is certainly the answer, right? Only a good guy with a gun.........Or has Austin fallen?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-protests-shooting/index.html

    I look forward to to the NRA’s thoughts on this. Maybe the NY Post will do an in-depth report, following up on how the NRA feels about “more guns are the answer,” and “only a good guy with a gun.......?”

    https://apple.news/AHlycOXU4SfivMWD9knV2Ow
    A guy drove through the group of protesters.  One protester had his gun and approached the vehicle with it leveled and got shot.  Can’t help but think that had he not had a gun he would be alive and the sick head that drove through the march would be in jail for a long time.  
    If he “leveled” the gun as you said, this is going to be a pretty open and shut self defense case.  Haven’t seen a great video on this.
    After the car sped through the group of protestors and struck a barrier.  So the shooter isn’t scot free in the situation 
    I didn’t read that initially, so I’ll wait for more evidence to be released before drawing further conclusions.  The videos I have seen don’t show much.
    I live in Austin and have been involved in the protests. Only skipped last night because it’s my daughters bday weekend
    Local outlets and some friends have provided a clearer picture.  The driver apparently sped through the crowd and fired shots, then hit a barrier, after striking the barrier the dude with the long gun approached the car along with some other protestors, which is when the driver fatally shot the armed protestor.  So looks like the driver was looking for a showdown and the armed protestor was potentially looking out for the others After they were assaulted with a vehicle and shot at.  Anyways it still looks like guns plus guns didn’t help this situation.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    No surprise here. But yea, more guns is the solution to gun violence, even if sold by “responsible” gun owners.

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  • static111
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    the guy the guy that got killed in Austin also was a veteran...🙁 I feel very sorry for his fiancé.
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  • PJPOWER
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    edited July 2020
    static111 said:
    the guy the guy that got killed in Austin also was a veteran...🙁 I feel very sorry for his fiancé.
    Looks like the shooter and another person in the crowd that was shooting at the car were both interviewed and released pending further investigation.
    https://www.kut.org/post/austin-police-release-two-people-who-fired-handguns-deadly-incident-during-protest
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    First partial face plant patient passed away. Why did she need a face transplant? If you guessed “responsible” gun owner, you’re a winner!

    https://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2020/08/01/Connie-Culp-first-U-S-partial-face-transplant-recipient-dies-at-57/stories/202008010058

    Seven years? Seven years for being “responsible?” ‘Murica.

    But we’re still first, right?
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    https://nypost.com/2020/08/02/there-have-now-been-more-nyc-shootings-this-year-than-in-all-of-2019/
  • nicknyr15
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    static111 said:
    the guy the guy that got killed in Austin also was a veteran...🙁 I feel very sorry for his fiancé.
    Shitty situation all around. The guy who killed him allegedly  in self defense , is also a sergeant in the army. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    the guy the guy that got killed in Austin also was a veteran...🙁 I feel very sorry for his fiancé.
    Shitty situation all around. The guy who killed him allegedly  in self defense , is also a sergeant in the army. 
    Looks like the driver was an out of towner that was coming to Austin looking to start something with the protesters.  Definitely a bad situation all around.  Garret apparently never even took the safety off on his rifle. In this case a lot of people are making the point that him having the rifle was enough of a threat to justify the shooting....it’s crazy and fucked up. Especially when if you so much as look at those Michigan “protesters” from a few months ago with their rifles screaming at cops you get the whole 2A don’t tread on me speech.  I’m really at the point that I think a civil war is a very likely near term situation.  
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  • nicknyr15
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    edited August 2020
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    the guy the guy that got killed in Austin also was a veteran...🙁 I feel very sorry for his fiancé.
    Shitty situation all around. The guy who killed him allegedly  in self defense , is also a sergeant in the army. 
    Looks like the driver was an out of towner that was coming to Austin looking to start something with the protesters.  Definitely a bad situation all around.  Garret apparently never even took the safety off on his rifle. In this case a lot of people are making the point that him having the rifle was enough of a threat to justify the shooting....it’s crazy and fucked up. Especially when if you so much as look at those Michigan “protesters” from a few months ago with their rifles screaming at cops you get the whole 2A don’t tread on me speech.  I’m really at the point that I think a civil war is a very likely near term situation.  
    Shitty situation. Scary stuff. 
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