America's Gun Violence

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Those two people could have killed every one of those protesters and been acquitted.  So it ended well.
    Still, the next time a group of “protesters” enter a private gated community, the residents shouldn’t have their finger on the trigger like that. Never put your finger on the trigger unless you’re ready to shoot. 
    You shouldn’t even point the gun unless you’re ready to shoot, but I’m thinking she WAS ready to shoot.  And if it was private property, and she told them to leave, then Onwise97 is right, she probably would be acquitted for defending her property (Same as store owners), but that probably depends on specific state statutes.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Those two people could have killed every one of those protesters and been acquitted.  So it ended well.
    Still, the next time a group of “protesters” enter a private gated community, the residents shouldn’t have their finger on the trigger like that. Never put your finger on the trigger unless you’re ready to shoot. 
    You shouldn’t even point the gun unless you’re ready to shoot, but I’m thinking she WAS ready to shoot.  And if it was private property, and she told them to leave, then Onwise97 is right, she probably would be acquitted for defending her property (Same as store owners), but that probably depends on specific state statutes.
    I'm not so sure because this post suggests that there's a difference between defending your overall property, versus defending your dwelling in Missouri. 


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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Those two people could have killed every one of those protesters and been acquitted.  So it ended well.
    Still, the next time a group of “protesters” enter a private gated community, the residents shouldn’t have their finger on the trigger like that. Never put your finger on the trigger unless you’re ready to shoot. 
    You shouldn’t even point the gun unless you’re ready to shoot, but I’m thinking she WAS ready to shoot.  And if it was private property, and she told them to leave, then Onwise97 is right, she probably would be acquitted for defending her property (Same as store owners), but that probably depends on specific state statutes.
    I'm not so sure because this post suggests that there's a difference between defending your overall property, versus defending your dwelling in Missouri. 


    There you have it.  Although, I’m sure their defense would be that they were defending their lives, not their property.
    Edit: And that is what their defense is:

    "This is all private property. There are no public sidewalks or public streets. We were told that we would be killed, our home burned and our dog killed. We were all alone facing an angry mob," McCloskey told News 4.


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  • wndowpayne
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    I don't blame them a bit..may not have pointed it at anybody though..


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  • Bentleyspop
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    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited June 2020
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited June 2020
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
    I understand being angry with someone flying a Nazi flag and wanting to do something about it, but how dumb can you be? Anyone willing to display a Nazi flag is obviously fucking crazy. That's the last type of person who's yard I'd be running up on. 

    OnWis97 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    The article says he "is in the Garfield County Detention Center on charges of shooting with the intent to kill and assault and battery with a deadly weapon."

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  • PJPOWER
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    edited June 2020
    OnWis97 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    I can see charges being brought up against the dumbass here.  I read that she dropped the flag and was running away, but he kept on shooting.  Going to be hard for him to prove that he was stopping a crime from happening.  Him daring her to come over will not help his case either.  Sounds like he needs to be put away.
  • PJPOWER
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    edited June 2020
    CHAZ.....
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-shooting-seattle-police-free-zone
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
    I understand being angry with someone flying a Nazi flag and wanting to do something about it, but how dumb can you be? Anyone willing to display a Nazi flag is obviously fucking crazy. That's the last type of person who's yard I'd be running up on. 

    OnWis97 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    The article says he "is in the Garfield County Detention Center on charges of shooting with the intent to kill and assault and battery with a deadly weapon."


    Didn't read closely...
    ...I can't imagine any conviction.  She went in his yard and grabbed something.  Assuming she's white, that changes the game a bit, I suppose.
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  • oftenreading
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    OnWis97 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
    I understand being angry with someone flying a Nazi flag and wanting to do something about it, but how dumb can you be? Anyone willing to display a Nazi flag is obviously fucking crazy. That's the last type of person who's yard I'd be running up on. 

    OnWis97 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    The article says he "is in the Garfield County Detention Center on charges of shooting with the intent to kill and assault and battery with a deadly weapon."


    Didn't read closely...
    ...I can't imagine any conviction.  She went in his yard and grabbed something.  Assuming she's white, that changes the game a bit, I suppose.

    So is theft under generally considered sufficient justification to attempt to kill someone?
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  • dudeman
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    oftenreading said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
    I understand being angry with someone flying a Nazi flag and wanting to do something about it, but how dumb can you be? Anyone willing to display a Nazi flag is obviously fucking crazy. That's the last type of person who's yard I'd be running up on. 

    OnWis97 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    The article says he "is in the Garfield County Detention Center on charges of shooting with the intent to kill and assault and battery with a deadly weapon."


    Didn't read closely...
    ...I can't imagine any conviction.  She went in his yard and grabbed something.  Assuming she's white, that changes the game a bit, I suppose.

    So is theft under generally considered sufficient justification to attempt to kill someone?
    Not in my opinion or where I live.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    oftenreading said:

    So is theft under generally considered sufficient justification to attempt to kill someone?

    Not to me. But in America?  When she went on his property?  I think he'll have a lot of "court of public opinion" backing (though the fact that it was a swastika flag will definitely impact that as opposed it having been a sign for a candidate or something).  On this very board, we had a discussion years ago about a guy who called 911 as his next-door neighbor's house was being burglarized.  The dispatcher told him to stay put...the burglars went out a window and he shot them.  I did not support this action. I was in the minority. 
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  • Bentleyspop
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    When guns and "Karens" collide.....


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    When guns and "Karens" collide.....


    Just another “responsible” gun owner, doing what “responsible” gun owners do. Is she “permitted” or was she given a gun, Willy nilly? Maybe that passes for Michigan’s gun safety course as she didn’t shoot anyone?
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  • dudeman
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    Bentleyspop said:
    When guns and "Karens" collide.....


    I'd like to see what transpired before the filming began. This is straight up craziness. 
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  • static111
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    dudeman said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    When guns and "Karens" collide.....


    I'd like to see what transpired before the filming began. This is straight up craziness. 
    Probably nothing that would legitimize leveling the threat of immediate death at someone.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    More “responsible” gun owners being responsible with those firearms they own. Sure am glad more blue states are encouraging gun ownership because we know gun owners are “responsible.”

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  • nicknyr15
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More “responsible” gun owners being responsible with those firearms they own. Sure am glad more blue states are encouraging gun ownership because we know gun owners are “responsible.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/spotsylvania-road-rage/2020/07/05/6e3a56ba-bf18-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html

    Shootings way, way up in NYC. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    More “responsible” gun owners being responsible with those firearms they own. Sure am glad more blue states are encouraging gun ownership because we know gun owners are “responsible.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/spotsylvania-road-rage/2020/07/05/6e3a56ba-bf18-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html

    Shootings way, way up in NYC. 
    So, this is my take on the recent uptick in NYC shootings.  Merely a theory.

    Isn't it amazing as soon as the plain clothes officers are disbanded the shootings go up?

    My theory is those shootings have always happened and they were never reported in the first place.  The paper work is finally getting filed so it makes it look like that a police presence is necessary and shines on them in a better light.

    This is a theory only.
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