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The CHAZ Movement

brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,713
edited June 2020 in A Moving Train
I hesitate to do this because I have no interest in starting a war of sorts here, but the other thread title on this topic is misleading  so I'm starting a CHAZ thread where, hopefully, we can engage in adult-like, useful, and interesting conversation on this fascinating social experiment. 

Here a recent development in which councilwoman Kshama Sawant suggest that "the area should be turned over permanently into community control, instead of back in the hands of the Seattle Police Department," and "wants to discuss the legislation with people involved in CHAZ, black community organizations, restorative justice, faith, anti-racist, renter orgns, land trusts, groups, labor unions that have a proven record of fighting racism."







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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    Maybe it's just me, but that link fucked with my computer.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,713
    hedonist said:
    Maybe it's just me, but that link fucked with my computer.

    I'm sorry to hear that!  The link works with no problem on mine.  KOMO is a major ABC radio station in Seattle so it should work OK.  Not sure why it f'd your computer but I'm sorry to hear it did.


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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,713
    KAT, if you decide two threads on this topic is not appropriate, I will respectfully make no complaints if this one is closed.  I just wish the other one didn't have such a slanted title. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    A list of their 30 demands. Some seem reasonable, some not. Some seem worthy of meeting somewhere in the middle. And some, very much wishful thinking. Don't forget, the Declaration of Independence was considered totally cray-cray to King George III.

    In credit to the people who freed Capitol Hill, this list of demands is neither brief nor simplistic. This is no simple request to end police brutality. We demand that the City Council and the Mayor, whoever that may be, implement these policy changes for the cultural and historic advancement of the City of Seattle, and to ease the struggles of its people. This document is to represent the black voices who spoke in victory at the top of 12th & Pine after 9 days of peaceful protest while under constant nightly attack from the Seattle Police Department. These are words from that night, June 8th, 2020.


    Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.

    1. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.
    2. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.
    3. We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.
    4. We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.
    5. We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.
    6. We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.
    7. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.
    8. We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.
    9. We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.
    10. We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.
    11. We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.
    12. We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.
    13. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.
    14. We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.
    15. We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.
    16. We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.
    17. We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.
    18. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.
    19. We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.

    We also have economic demands that must be addressed.

    1. We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.
    2. We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.
    3. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.
    4. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.
    5. We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.

    Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

    1. We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.
    2. We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.
    3. We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

    Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.

    1. We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.
    2. We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.
    3. We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.

    Transcribed by @irie_kenya and @AustinCHowe. Special thanks to Magik for starting and facilitating the discussion to create this list, to Omari Salisbury for the idea to break the list into categories, and as well a thanks to Kshama Sawant for being the only Seattle official to discuss with the people on Free Capitol Hill the night that it was liberated.

    Although we have liberated Free Capitol Hill in the name of the people of Seattle, we must not forget that we stand on land already once stolen from the Duwamish People, the first people of Seattle, and whose brother, John T. Williams of the Nuu-chah-nulth tribe up north was murdered by the Seattle Police Department 10 years ago.

    Black Lives Matter — All day, Every day.

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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    edited June 2020
    The CHAZ is now renamed the CHOP (Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or Capitol Hill Occupancy Protest):

    https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1271188269527707660?s=21


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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,001
    edited June 2020
    Thanks for sharing the list. I agree, some ridiculous, some reasonable, some meet in the middle. Probably more on the ridiculous side with things like abolish the prison. So they want a restorative Justice program for rapists and murderers? And no matter what you think of police, taking away pensions from retired officers is just wrong, and probably illegal.

    Accountability for cops seems reasonable. Public and easy access to body cams wouldn’t be a good idea in my opinion. Too many privacy issues for citizens involved -cops deal with car accidents with injuries and people drugged out and naked on a regular basis, that shouldn’t be accessible to the public without good reason. I certainly wouldn’t want my moms dead body in a car accident downloaded and uploaded to some weird red asphalt fetish website. Or some rape victim uploaded to a creepy porn site. So making all body cams accessible wouldn’t be right. But kept and archived for review or complaints. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,713
    FinsburyParkCarrots said:
    The CHAZ is now renamed the CHOP (Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or Capitol Hill Occupancy Protest):

    https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1271188269527707660?s=21



    According to the tweet you posted, that is a suggested new name.  The question is, is it/ will it become official and who gets to decide? 
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    FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    edited June 2020
    brianlux said:
    FinsburyParkCarrots said:
    The CHAZ is now renamed the CHOP (Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or Capitol Hill Occupancy Protest):

    https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1271188269527707660?s=21



    According to the tweet you posted, that is a suggested new name.  The question is, is it/ will it become official and who gets to decide? 
    It seems to be the name that's being used instead of CHAZ by live streamers now (see chat):

    www.twitch.tv/woke

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,713
    FinsburyParkCarrots said:
    brianlux said:
    FinsburyParkCarrots said:
    The CHAZ is now renamed the CHOP (Capitol Hill Occupied Protest, or Capitol Hill Occupancy Protest):

    https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1271188269527707660?s=21



    According to the tweet you posted, that is a suggested new name.  The question is, is it/ will it become official and who gets to decide? 
    It seems to be the name that's being used instead of CHAZ by live streamers now (see chat):

    www.twitch.tv/woke


    I would say maybe they're going to go with chaz chop but this also has no content.

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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