Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots
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Lerxst1992 said:JimFletcherPearlJam said:I wish the members of these two bands were friends, because it'd be a dream for me to see STP for about 90 minutes followed by PJ for two and a half hours on the same night. A guy can dream -- right?A guy can dream about seeing any future concert - yes?0
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The comparisons were from Sex Type Thing from the get go. I remember thinking this guy is an Ed hack first time through, but if you got past an initial sort of sounds like thought, and listened to more of Core, there was no way you could go away thinking he was a Ed hack. The record companies were notorious for copycat sounds and bands, ride the wave. Silverchair and Creed got PJ copycat a lot too, neither are anywhere near the same. I know how much you all love Creed, but PJ they are not (their cover of riders on the storm is amazing!)0
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“ I know how much you all love Creed, but PJ they are not (their cover of riders on the storm is amazing!)“
such a Morrison copy cat!!J/k it is indeed very good!0 -
I need to go listen to purple again. Such a great record.0
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Get_Right said:I need to go listen to purple again. Such a great record.
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hrd2imgn said:The comparisons were from Sex Type Thing from the get go. I remember thinking this guy is an Ed hack first time through, but if you got past an initial sort of sounds like thought, and listened to more of Core, there was no way you could go away thinking he was a Ed hack. The record companies were notorious for copycat sounds and bands, ride the wave. Silverchair and Creed got PJ copycat a lot too, neither are anywhere near the same. I know how much you all love Creed, but PJ they are not (their cover of riders on the storm is amazing!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TaeePgygfY
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10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
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10/21/13- Philly, PA
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10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
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Was probably more the baritone voice Scott used on Core and to a lesser extent Purple. Tiny Music and No 4 really went down different paths and showed how versatile (and fucking good) a singer Scott was. I vaguely recall Ed saying Scott was copying his kick and Matt saying that those guys (STP) were just painful. Sounds like they didn't dig the songs and looked upon their problems with disdain. Though who knows they saw loved ones in music close to them succumb and could have been pissed history was repeating itself. Would be great to see STP at all (I haven't-only VR), and opening for Pearl Jam would be a HELL of a night. They're such a great band, brilliant musicianship (the grunge big four, STP and SP had amazing musicians mostly), interesting yet maddening chords, and those vocals (Atlanta-wow).Stars are suns to other people.
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I was an STP fan before I was a PJ fan. I never saw them with Weiland but have caught the new singer a few times. They put on a great show.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I was fortunate enough to see STP on the No 4, Shangri La, and Self Titled #1 tours, as well as a holiday show Scott did at the 9:30 club in DC. Incredible perfromances, truly engaging. I went to see them on the No 4 tour as a teenager with my mom because I wanted to see disturbed and godsmack (openers), but ended up leaving a bigger fan of STP, still to this day. Anyhow, if you like STP, check out Scott's autobiography. Its a quick read but immensely moving.Pittsburgh, PA September 28, 2005 || Washington, DC June 22, 2008 || Barstow, VA May 13, 2010 || Seattle, WA August 10, 2018 || Dana Point, CA September 29, 2018 (EV) || Dana Point, CA September 28, 2019 (EV) || Dana Point, CA September 25, 2021 (EV) || Dana Point, CA October 1, 2021 || Dana Point, CA October 2, 2021 || Chicago, IL August 29, 2024 || Pittsburgh, PA May 16, 2025 || Pittsburgh, PA May 18, 20250
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Saw them with Weiland on the MTV Return of the Rock tour at the Patriot Center in Fairfax VA on Oct. 25, 2000 with openers Godsmack and Disturbed. I remember Weiland being an awesome high-energy performer. Have also seen STP with Chester and then two years ago with the new guy. Still love the songs but obviously it's not the same.0
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Yeah, if a band is concerned about pleasing its fans, then it's logical for popular/successful bands from the same general time frame to tour together. I mean, Weezer and Green Day were scheduled to tour together this year. I saw Bush and Stone Temple Pilots on tour together in 2018. Bush and Live were touring together last year (2019). It just makes sense to do it that way, because people who became fans of Pearl Jam during the 1990s were likely also fans of Stone Temple Pilots, Alice in Chains, etcetera. So I'd surely love to see either STP or Alice in Chains open for Pearl Jam. It'd seem fair for the first band to have 90 minutes followed by PJ for two and a half hours. Don't you think?0
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Heck, I'd also love to see Bush open for Pearl Jam, but it almost seems as though they've never met, which seems illogical.0
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I guess maybe the most likely scenario would be Alice in Chains opening for Pearl Jam, since the members of those two bands are friends, and they all live in the Seattle area. A guy can dream -- right?0
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PSUS2H said:I was fortunate enough to see STP on the No 4, Shangri La, and Self Titled #1 tours, as well as a holiday show Scott did at the 9:30 club in DC. Incredible perfromances, truly engaging. I went to see them on the No 4 tour as a teenager with my mom because I wanted to see disturbed and godsmack (openers), but ended up leaving a bigger fan of STP, still to this day. Anyhow, if you like STP, check out Scott's autobiography. Its a quick read but immensely moving.I’m not a hater. I don’t think STP were PJ rip-offs and Purple was a masterpiece. It’s the only STP I want to add to my vinyl collection.0
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JimFletcherPearlJam said:Yeah, if a band is concerned about pleasing its fans, then it's logical for popular/successful bands from the same general time frame to tour together. I mean, Weezer and Green Day were scheduled to tour together this year. I saw Bush and Stone Temple Pilots on tour together in 2018. Bush and Live were touring together last year (2019). It just makes sense to do it that way, because people who became fans of Pearl Jam during the 1990s were likely also fans of Stone Temple Pilots, Alice in Chains, etcetera. So I'd surely love to see either STP or Alice in Chains open for Pearl Jam. It'd seem fair for the first band to have 90 minutes followed by PJ for two and a half hours. Don't you think?
STP was going to open for Nickelback this year.
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PSUS2H said:I was fortunate enough to see STP on the No 4, Shangri La, and Self Titled #1 tours, as well as a holiday show Scott did at the 9:30 club in DC. Incredible perfromances, truly engaging. I went to see them on the No 4 tour as a teenager with my mom because I wanted to see disturbed and godsmack (openers), but ended up leaving a bigger fan of STP, still to this day. Anyhow, if you like STP, check out Scott's autobiography. Its a quick read but immensely moving.
Saw STP last year with their new singer and once with Scott during the Shangri La tour at a festival, the only reason I went to that festival. The show last year was fun and better than what I expected. But that I saw them with Scott at that festival still makes me happy. I got in line early so I could get up front during the STP set and I was so happy to see them esp. from up close. What an energy.
Scott's death touched me emotionally although it sadly did not surprise me. I did not read his autobiography as I kept hearing it wasn't that good and didn't seem truthful. I've read the autobiography of his ex wife which was an interesting read. she did not seem to paint things in a brighter color than they actually were.0 -
What got me most about Scotts book is how optimistic he felt at times vs the terrible decisions he made or the awful things that happened to him. I was moved by it. Its not profound, its honest.Pittsburgh, PA September 28, 2005 || Washington, DC June 22, 2008 || Barstow, VA May 13, 2010 || Seattle, WA August 10, 2018 || Dana Point, CA September 29, 2018 (EV) || Dana Point, CA September 28, 2019 (EV) || Dana Point, CA September 25, 2021 (EV) || Dana Point, CA October 1, 2021 || Dana Point, CA October 2, 2021 || Chicago, IL August 29, 2024 || Pittsburgh, PA May 16, 2025 || Pittsburgh, PA May 18, 20250
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I was never a fan of the second gen "grunge" bands like STP, Bush, Candlebox, etc. The music was weak, derivative and just lacked something... sincerity maybe. I thought of them as the boy band equivalent/response from the major labels to what they saw as new cash-cow.
I recall that in the nineties, STP, or Weiland in particular, in interviews went out of his way to re-write STP history claiming the members had met at a Black Flag show or some such nonsense. There's a hilarious letter in an 1993 issue of Spin from a guy, responding to a previous issue featuring Weiland, claiming to have gone to the same high school which says "I vividly recall a conversation I had with Scott back in 1986 (the year we graduated from Edison high school) in which he said, 'How can you play that punk rock shit? That stuff isn't even music.'" He then goes on to say that Weiland was more into Duran Duran, Mr. Mister, and that Weiland's band at the time looked and sounded like those bands. He closes with "Scott -who always seemed to epitome of the sexist, macho, tough guy - has become the 'poster boy for feminism.' When the most popular guy from your high school starts telling sob stories about being an outcast for the sake of being cool and maintaining an image, I just have one thing to say . "You're rich, good-looking and white... and I'm not sure that's a good thing.' I stole that from you Scott."
People change and grow up, I get that, but I'd have a lot more respect for STP if they hadn't tried so hard to pretend to have some kind of underground cred which they clearly did not have.0 -
PSUS2H said:What got me most about Scotts book is how optimistic he felt at times vs the terrible decisions he made or the awful things that happened to him. I was moved by it. Its not profound, its honest.Perhaps I was weary of reading rock stars books about consuming a bunch of drugs and living through it. I read Weiland’s book shortly after Kiedis and Mustaine’s books respectively. I am really casual fans of all these guys and their bands. Owned some albums, seen them live (Megadeth) or haven’t (STP and Chilis).If you got something from it then that is fantastic! 👍0
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Speaking of dream concert bills or weird bills. I always thought that NIN/Soundgarden tour from a few years ago, was s super weird mix. Both were big enough to be out on their own, not sure what that tour was all about. Don't get me wrong, I went to multiple shows that tour and always went early to see all sets, but just a weird vibe there.There's no need to say goodbye0
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