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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    i enjoyed the grant doc. he had a farm about 20 miles from me. it is open to the public. Grant's Farm.  Given that MO on the whole is a conservative state, Grant is loved here. 

    Grant has the reputation of being a drunk. Which is unfair. They said he went on a few benders, like the siege at vicksburg, but it was out of boredom when nothing was going on.

    i think sherman deserves some of the credit for grant's success. if grant did not trust him enough to make the march to the sea, he may not have given the order to make that march. who knows what would have happened then, or how things would have turned out. atlanta was a major industrial hub for the southern war effort. taking atlanta was a crucial success for the north.


    that doc kind of blew the old "war of northern aggression" theme out of the water. i never got that. the south took up arms against the north and fired the first shots at fort sumter. sounds like the south were the aggressors to me. also, the war was absolutely about slavery.

    i visited shiloh when i was 12 or 13. i think i was too young to appreciate it back then. would love to visit now. we did the 21 mile march from corinth, mississippi to shiloh. it took weeks for my blisters to heal, haha.

    sherman is buried about 10 minutes from my home. i have been to visit him a few times. his wife and very young son are buried there as well. dred scott is also buried there. 
    I've been to Grant's farm.  My brother lives in St. Charles so it was close.  I think the Busch family owned it at the time, might still, and the Clydesdale were kept there.  It was a really nice farm and my son was about 3 so it was great.  
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
    But who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    But who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
    I bet Geraldo would host a live television event where we could all find out.
  • OnWis97
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  • Kat
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    Falling down,...not staying down
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,008
    mrussel1 said:
    i enjoyed the grant doc. he had a farm about 20 miles from me. it is open to the public. Grant's Farm.  Given that MO on the whole is a conservative state, Grant is loved here. 

    Grant has the reputation of being a drunk. Which is unfair. They said he went on a few benders, like the siege at vicksburg, but it was out of boredom when nothing was going on.

    i think sherman deserves some of the credit for grant's success. if grant did not trust him enough to make the march to the sea, he may not have given the order to make that march. who knows what would have happened then, or how things would have turned out. atlanta was a major industrial hub for the southern war effort. taking atlanta was a crucial success for the north.


    that doc kind of blew the old "war of northern aggression" theme out of the water. i never got that. the south took up arms against the north and fired the first shots at fort sumter. sounds like the south were the aggressors to me. also, the war was absolutely about slavery.

    i visited shiloh when i was 12 or 13. i think i was too young to appreciate it back then. would love to visit now. we did the 21 mile march from corinth, mississippi to shiloh. it took weeks for my blisters to heal, haha.

    sherman is buried about 10 minutes from my home. i have been to visit him a few times. his wife and very young son are buried there as well. dred scott is also buried there. 
    I've been to Grant's farm.  My brother lives in St. Charles so it was close.  I think the Busch family owned it at the time, might still, and the Clydesdale were kept there.  It was a really nice farm and my son was about 3 so it was great.  
    small world. st charles is right across the missouri river from me. like 8 minutes from here. 

    they did own it for a long time. i thought they sold it at some point but i could be wrong. i want to say when inbev bought anheuser busch grant's farm was in the mix somehow.

    the busch family is also buried at Calvary Cemetery not too far from sherman.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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  • Bentleyspop
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    "There is an overt effort here to erase white history. That's what they're looking on doing," Chase said

    Virginia GOP calls own lawmaker's comments on Confederate statues 'idiotic' NBC News: Virginia GOP calls own lawmaker's comments on Confederate statues 'idiotic'. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/virginia-gop-calls-own-lawmaker-s-comments-confederate-statues-idiotic-n1225806
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,540
    Yep Republicans are thee worst humans alive it’s not even a debate , they are going to do everything possible to make it impossible for people to vote! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,540
    Somehow the Democrats need to get ahead of this and start fucking fighting against these state’s that are not working to make sure everyone gets to vote! 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
    Somehow the Democrats need to get ahead of this and start fucking fighting against these state’s that are not working to make sure everyone gets to vote! 
    Want to piss off the republicans?

    Get out and #FUCKINGVOTE in November
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ridiculous. The pre-season fix is on.

    Georgia’s long lines

    Chloe Mexile Benard got in line to vote in the Atlanta suburbs at 7:30 a.m. yesterday, according to The Guardian. She did not vote until almost noon.
    Marneia Mitchell, a stationery designer in Atlanta, was starting her fourth hour of waiting in line when she told The Times, “It’s despicable.”
    And Greg Bluestein, a politics reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, called yesterday’s primary elections in Georgia “like nothing we’ve ever experienced.”
    In several counties around Atlanta, voting machines malfunctioned, and thin staffing because of the coronavirus left fewer poll workers to deal with it. As a result, many Georgia residents had to choose between enduring hours in line or losing their right to vote.
    Yesterday’s problems were worse than usual — partly a result of recently bought voting machines — but were also part of a much larger issue. In no other affluent country do citizens regularly have as hard a time voting as they do in the United States. Most of our elections are held on workdays, and a shortage of election equipment and workers often forces people to wait in long lines.
    The waits tend to be longest for African-Americans. One study of the 2016 election, using smartphone location data, found that voters in black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer on average than voters in white neighborhoods.
    And as was the case in the 1950s and ’60s, Georgia has again become a battleground over voting rights. In the 2018 midterms, the state had the country’s longest waiting times, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis. Republicans in Georgia, who control most of the state government, have frequently opposed efforts by Democrats to make voting more accessible.
    It was not fully clear why yesterday’s lines were worse in the Atlanta area than elsewhere in Georgia. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, blamed local officials — who are heavily Democratic — and said they had not properly trained election workers. Local officials, in turn, blamed him, saying he had not provided adequate training resources. Virus fears among election workers and high turnout, after George Floyd’s killing, may also have played a role.
    “No corner of the state had a fully functional voting experience,” The Times reported. Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida, wrote: “I have never seen the scale of election failures happening in Georgia today. This does not bode well for November.”

    Good luck getting rid of Team Trump Treason. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    Ridiculous. The pre-season fix is on.

    Georgia’s long lines

    Chloe Mexile Benard got in line to vote in the Atlanta suburbs at 7:30 a.m. yesterday, according to The Guardian. She did not vote until almost noon.
    Marneia Mitchell, a stationery designer in Atlanta, was starting her fourth hour of waiting in line when she told The Times, “It’s despicable.”
    And Greg Bluestein, a politics reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, called yesterday’s primary elections in Georgia “like nothing we’ve ever experienced.”
    In several counties around Atlanta, voting machines malfunctioned, and thin staffing because of the coronavirus left fewer poll workers to deal with it. As a result, many Georgia residents had to choose between enduring hours in line or losing their right to vote.
    Yesterday’s problems were worse than usual — partly a result of recently bought voting machines — but were also part of a much larger issue. In no other affluent country do citizens regularly have as hard a time voting as they do in the United States. Most of our elections are held on workdays, and a shortage of election equipment and workers often forces people to wait in long lines.
    The waits tend to be longest for African-Americans. One study of the 2016 election, using smartphone location data, found that voters in black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer on average than voters in white neighborhoods.
    And as was the case in the 1950s and ’60s, Georgia has again become a battleground over voting rights. In the 2018 midterms, the state had the country’s longest waiting times, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis. Republicans in Georgia, who control most of the state government, have frequently opposed efforts by Democrats to make voting more accessible.
    It was not fully clear why yesterday’s lines were worse in the Atlanta area than elsewhere in Georgia. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, blamed local officials — who are heavily Democratic — and said they had not properly trained election workers. Local officials, in turn, blamed him, saying he had not provided adequate training resources. Virus fears among election workers and high turnout, after George Floyd’s killing, may also have played a role.
    “No corner of the state had a fully functional voting experience,” The Times reported. Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida, wrote: “I have never seen the scale of election failures happening in Georgia today. This does not bode well for November.”

    Good luck getting rid of Team Trump Treason. 
    the cherry on top was the Gs Sec of State blaming the local boards for the fuck ups
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    mickeyrat said:
    Ridiculous. The pre-season fix is on.

    Georgia’s long lines

    Chloe Mexile Benard got in line to vote in the Atlanta suburbs at 7:30 a.m. yesterday, according to The Guardian. She did not vote until almost noon.
    Marneia Mitchell, a stationery designer in Atlanta, was starting her fourth hour of waiting in line when she told The Times, “It’s despicable.”
    And Greg Bluestein, a politics reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, called yesterday’s primary elections in Georgia “like nothing we’ve ever experienced.”
    In several counties around Atlanta, voting machines malfunctioned, and thin staffing because of the coronavirus left fewer poll workers to deal with it. As a result, many Georgia residents had to choose between enduring hours in line or losing their right to vote.
    Yesterday’s problems were worse than usual — partly a result of recently bought voting machines — but were also part of a much larger issue. In no other affluent country do citizens regularly have as hard a time voting as they do in the United States. Most of our elections are held on workdays, and a shortage of election equipment and workers often forces people to wait in long lines.
    The waits tend to be longest for African-Americans. One study of the 2016 election, using smartphone location data, found that voters in black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer on average than voters in white neighborhoods.
    And as was the case in the 1950s and ’60s, Georgia has again become a battleground over voting rights. In the 2018 midterms, the state had the country’s longest waiting times, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis. Republicans in Georgia, who control most of the state government, have frequently opposed efforts by Democrats to make voting more accessible.
    It was not fully clear why yesterday’s lines were worse in the Atlanta area than elsewhere in Georgia. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, blamed local officials — who are heavily Democratic — and said they had not properly trained election workers. Local officials, in turn, blamed him, saying he had not provided adequate training resources. Virus fears among election workers and high turnout, after George Floyd’s killing, may also have played a role.
    “No corner of the state had a fully functional voting experience,” The Times reported. Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida, wrote: “I have never seen the scale of election failures happening in Georgia today. This does not bode well for November.”

    Good luck getting rid of Team Trump Treason. 
    the cherry on top was the Gs Sec of State blaming the local boards for the fuck ups
    That’s their playbook. It’s not like we haven’t seen this play before.
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  • josevolution
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    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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