End of the American Empire?

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    i thought the country was doing okay. economy was getting better, more people had health insurance. but as a species we were on the decline with climate change and the lack of action from us. it is worse now though because the GOP and the blue dog dems under obama  made it impossible for us to act, let alone lead on the issue.

    I feel the same way.  The other big difference is that under Obama we had hope.  Under Trump, we have despair.  It's a world of difference.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    I sure did!  As a society, as a species...  Even when there are rays of hope, there's still just too many stupid people in the world lol
    Lots of dumb people for sure, but there's always been idiots.  We should see them more because of how fast news travels and social media.  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    I sure did!  As a society, as a species...  Even when there are rays of hope, there's still just too many stupid people in the world lol
    Lots of dumb people for sure, but there's always been idiots.  We should see them more because of how fast news travels and social media.  
    There hasn’t always been faux news and other factless based “news” organizations like OAN for dumb people to get dumber. It used to be that dumb people didn’t make a difference as they were such a small minority. Now? Good luck with that.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    i thought the country was doing okay. economy was getting better, more people had health insurance. but as a species we were on the decline with climate change and the lack of action from us. it is worse now though because the GOP and the blue dog dems under obama  made it impossible for us to act, let alone lead on the issue.

    I feel the same way.  The other big difference is that under Obama we had hope.  Under Trump, we have despair.  It's a world of difference.
    Good or bad when it all comes down to it  and drones and whatever -- Obama gave the whole world hope. 


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,102
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    i thought the country was doing okay. economy was getting better, more people had health insurance. but as a species we were on the decline with climate change and the lack of action from us. it is worse now though because the GOP and the blue dog dems under obama  made it impossible for us to act, let alone lead on the issue.

    I feel the same way.  The other big difference is that under Obama we had hope.  Under Trump, we have despair.  It's a world of difference.
    Good or bad when it all comes down to it  and drones and whatever -- Obama gave the whole world hope. 


    the funny thing is that trump is so terrible that it makes obama, for all of his faults, look like the greatest president of my lifetime.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    i thought the country was doing okay. economy was getting better, more people had health insurance. but as a species we were on the decline with climate change and the lack of action from us. it is worse now though because the GOP and the blue dog dems under obama  made it impossible for us to act, let alone lead on the issue.

    I feel the same way.  The other big difference is that under Obama we had hope.  Under Trump, we have despair.  It's a world of difference.
    absolutely. it is very hard to stay positive when all you feel is despair.

    as i said in another thread, trump is giving an entire generation, or maybe 60% of it, PTSD. it is criminal.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    edited April 2020
    "This is the first global crisis in the post-America world, when we don't have any american leadership. We had the ebola outbreak in 2014-2015 - with a strong american leadership facing that crisis. The US was important, to mobilise and to call on meetings in the UN Security Council. Now all that is history."

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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited April 2020
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    we are in the decline for sure. i thought things were bad under w bush, but that was child's play compared to what we are in with a russian asset and his family running the show.
    Did you think we were in decline during Obama s presidency?  Personally I did not. Republicans thought the country was shit during Obama, now it is great once again.  I think it all depends on your political views.  
    i thought the country was doing okay. economy was getting better, more people had health insurance. but as a species we were on the decline with climate change and the lack of action from us. it is worse now though because the GOP and the blue dog dems under obama  made it impossible for us to act, let alone lead on the issue.

    I feel the same way.  The other big difference is that under Obama we had hope.  Under Trump, we have despair.  It's a world of difference.
    Good or bad when it all comes down to it  and drones and whatever -- Obama gave the whole world hope. 


    I agree... I teared up that day thinking finally we will get something for middle-class and poor.. Then over the next few days he stacked his cabinet with Wall Street cronies... In the end, he did nothing or could do nothing or maybe even helped the continuation of Foreign Wars, Income inequity, Continuing the Bush Tax Cuts, Healthcare never really addressed even with both branches of congress in his first term...  When it was over, we got Trump and greed won out..
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    An excellent article by Cornell West ask the question: "Can this failed social experiment be reformed?"  Well worth the read:


    A boot is crushing the neck of American democracy

    Here we go again. Another black person killed by the US police. Another wave of multiracial resistance. Another cycle of race talk on the corporate media. Another display of diversity with neoliberal leaders, and another white backlash soon to come. Yet this time might be a turning point. 

    The undeniable barbaric death of George Floyd, the inescapable vicious realities of the unequal misery of the coronavirus, the massive unemployment at Depression levels and the wholesale collapse of the legitimacy of political leadership (in both parties) are bringing down the curtain on the American empire. 

    The increasing militarization of US society is inseparable from its imperial policies (211 deployments of US armed forces in 67 countries since 1945). The militaristic response to the killing of Floyd tells a story of oversized police presence, unprovoked assaults and excessive force. Ironically, the misleading debate over rioters v protesters and outside agitators v legitimate local citizens turns attention away from how heavy law enforcement presence fuels disrespect for the police. The stark contrast of the police response to rightwing provocateurs who show up inside and outside state capitols with guns and loaded ammunition looms large.

    I recall my own experience of protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia, against hundreds of masked, armed Nazis with live ammunition in which the police stepped back and remained still and silent as we were mercilessly attacked. Without the intervention and protection of antifa, some of us would have died. Sister Heather Heyer did die. I believe the attack on any innocent person is wrong, but the focus on the protesters’ assaults on persons or property takes our attention away from the police killing of hundreds of black, poor and working-class people.

    It also obscures the role of the repressive apparatus in preserving an order so unjust and cruel. The rule of big money, class and gender hierarchies and global militarism must be highlighted in our profound concern with anti-black police murder and brutality.

    The four catastrophes Martin Luther King Jr warned us about – militarism (in Asia, Africa and the Middle East), poverty (at record levels), materialism (with narcissistic addictions to money, fame and spectacle) and racism (against black and indigenous people, Muslims, Jews and non-white immigrants) – have laid bare the organised hatred, greed and corruption in the country. The killing machine of the US military here and abroad has lost its authority. The profit-driven capitalist economy has lost its glow. And the glitz of the market-driven culture (including media and education) are more and more hollow. 

    The fundamental question at this moment is: can this failed social experiment be reformed? The political duopoly of an escalating neofascist Donald Trump-led Republican party and a fatigued Joe Biden-led neoliberal Democratic party – in no way equivalent, yet both beholden to Wall Street and the Pentagon – are symptoms of a decadent leadership class. The weakness of the labor movement and the present difficulty of the radical left to unite around a nonviolent revolutionary project of democratic sharing and redistribution of power, wealth and respect are signs of a society unable to regenerate the best of its past and present. Any society that refuses to eliminate or attenuate dilapidated housing, decrepit school systems, mass incarceration, massive unemployment and underemployment, inadequate healthcare and its violations of rights and liberties is undesirable and unsustainable.

    Yet the magnificent moral courage and spiritual sensitivity of the multiracial response to the police killing of George Floyd that now spills over into a political resistance to the legalized looting of Wall Street greed, the plundering of the planet and the degradation of women and LGBTQ+ peoples means we are still fighting regardless of the odds. 

    If radical democracy dies in America, let it be said of us that we gave our all-and-all as the boots of American fascism tried to crush our necks. 

    • Cornel West is an American philosopher, author, critic, actor, civil rights activist and leading member of Democratic Socialists of America




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    -Roberto Benigni

  • static111
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    I love Cornell West.  I have been you tubing all of his appearances during this time.  Looking forward to reading the article.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    static111 said:
    I love Cornell West.  I have been you tubing all of his appearances during this time.  Looking forward to reading the article.

    :plus_one:
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855

    "We're witnessing the collapse of the legitimacy of leadership"

    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • Ledbetterman10
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    myoung321 said:

    "We're witnessing the collapse of the legitimacy of leadership"

    It collapsed the moment Trump came down the escalator. 
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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
     Welcome to America!

    We will not provide college education, we will not provide healthcare, we will not give teachers a decent wage, but we can buy these for police departments at $500,000 each!  


    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,237
    American Crisis(thanks to the Poster who Posted this in  the Other Music thread)

    https://youtu.be/zD7TxGTPsV4