America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    Looks like it happens in Canada too....

    Police: At least 10 killed in shooting rampage in Canada
    https://news.yahoo.com/canadian-police-look-shooter-possibly-135549328.html


    And yet, In ‘Murica, “our freedom?” I particularly like the guy huffing a cig because he’s not sure his “weapon” is big enough for the crowd size and the other guy with the purple tape holding his clips together in case he needs 64 shots to stop the threat. On a Sunday. At the State House. In Michigan.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/04/19/pro-gun-activists-using-facebook-groups-push-anti-quarantine-protests/

    oh the look of paranoia.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    This is it.


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    And I thought it was purple tape to hold clips together. No, it’s a purple clip! And he has a patch! Woooooahhh, a patch. At least he’s covided up.


    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,181
    Columbine was 21 years ago today :disappointed:
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    What the NRA doesn't want you to know. Seems "responsible" to me.

    Gun control discussions often get mired in competing academic claims regarding the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of various policy options.

    Do concealed carry laws increase violent crime or make communities safer? Do assault weapon bans reduce mass shootings or do they have no effect? Do background checks reduce homicides and suicides or are they ineffective?

    With so many disparate findings swirling about, it can be difficult to determine where the balance of evidence lies. But a report from Rand Corp., a nonprofit think tank, has distilled reams of gun policy research published since 1995 to tease out the scholarly consensus.

    In other words, they’ve waded through thousands of findings so you (and your elected representatives) don’t have to.

    Not all academic studies are created equal. Many simply show correlations between various phenomena — links between assault weapon bans and mass shootings, for instance, or between suicide rates and gun purchasing habits. Such research can be useful when higher-quality data isn’t available.

    But policymaking requires higher-caliber evidence, from studies that go beyond simple correlations to demonstrate a causal effect. Distinguishing those studies from less-powerful ones was one of the chief objectives of the Rand report.

    “For our analysis, we looked for studies that made stronger claims to identifying a causal effect of individual laws,” said Andrew Morral, one of the authors of the report. “They had to show that changes (for instance, in suicide rates) that are attributed to the law occurred only after the law was implemented (not before), and did not occur in states where the law was not implemented.”

    They narrowed down thousands of studies to those that met high standards for causal evidence — just 123 of them since 1995. Taken together, this research yielded a number of conclusions.

    First, there was a clear consensus (indicated by three or more high-quality studies in agreement) that stand-your-ground laws, which allow people to use guns to defend themselves in public even if retreating is an option, result in higher overall rates of gun homicide. The higher rates aren’t simply from “bad guys” getting shot; the research shows the additional deaths created by stand-your-ground laws far surpass the documented cases of defensive gun use in the United States.

    There was also a broad consensus that child access prevention laws, which set requirements for how guns must be stored at home, are effective in reducing self-inflicted gun injuries among children and adults.

    No other policy realm showed the clear scholarly consensus as did stand-your-ground and child access prevention, although there were a number of cases in which the research yielded more moderate evidence of a policy’s effect, by way of two or more high-quality studies in agreement.

    For instance, there is moderate evidence that banning gun purchases by people under domestic violence restraining orders decreases intimate-partner homicides. The research also showed moderate evidence that background checks reduce gun homicides, and that waiting periods for firearms purchases reduce gun suicides and overall homicide.

    Finally, there was what the authors call “limited” evidence — just one high-quality study, not contradicted by other research — for a number of policy outcomes. There’s some evidence, for instance, that licensing requirements reduce suicides, that bans on gun ownership among the mentally ill reduce violent crime, that “right-to-carry” laws increase violent crime, that minimum purchasing age requirements reduce youth suicides, and that assault weapon bans end up boosting sales of those weapons in the period before the ban takes place.

    Beyond that, the available high-quality research remains inconsistent or nonexistent. There is no scholarly consensus, for instance, on the effect of assault weapon bans on mass shooting rates, or on the overall effects of extreme risk prevention (“red flag”) laws. There similarly is little to no evidence on the efficacy of mandatory gun-safety training. High-quality research into gun-free zones and armed school employees is nonexistent, and there’s virtually no good research examining effects of policies on defensive gun use.

    That general lack of high-quality evidence is one of the overarching themes of the report. “One reason there is such limited and inconclusive research on topics related to gun policy is that the federal government has not supported much research on gun violence prevention for most of the last 25 years,” Morral said. But he notes that last year Congress approved the first outlay of federal money for gun research since the mid-1990s.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/23/definitive-guide-which-gun-safety-policies-actually-work/
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    First, there was a clear consensus (indicated by three or more high-quality studies in agreement) that stand-your-ground laws, which allow people to use guns to defend themselves in public even if retreating is an option, result in higher overall rates of gun homicide.

    No shit, that's the purpose of the law, to stand your ground...

    The rest is all common knowledge if you own a gun or want to ban them I'd guess.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    First, there was a clear consensus (indicated by three or more high-quality studies in agreement) that stand-your-ground laws, which allow people to use guns to defend themselves in public even if retreating is an option, result in higher overall rates of gun homicide.

    No shit, that's the purpose of the law, to stand your ground...

    The rest is all common knowledge if you own a gun or want to ban them I'd guess.
    Guess you didn't read this far:

    The higher rates aren’t simply from “bad guys” getting shot; the research shows the additional deaths created by stand-your-ground laws far surpass the documented cases of defensive gun use in the United States.

    Common knowledge, I guess?

    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    First, there was a clear consensus (indicated by three or more high-quality studies in agreement) that stand-your-ground laws, which allow people to use guns to defend themselves in public even if retreating is an option, result in higher overall rates of gun homicide.

    No shit, that's the purpose of the law, to stand your ground...

    The rest is all common knowledge if you own a gun or want to ban them I'd guess.
    Guess you didn't read this far:

    The higher rates aren’t simply from “bad guys” getting shot; the research shows the additional deaths created by stand-your-ground laws far surpass the documented cases of defensive gun use in the United States.

    Common knowledge, I guess?
    If I am reading this right then people are getting shot and using the stand your ground clause improperly?  I'm not sure what they are eluding to?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    First, there was a clear consensus (indicated by three or more high-quality studies in agreement) that stand-your-ground laws, which allow people to use guns to defend themselves in public even if retreating is an option, result in higher overall rates of gun homicide.

    No shit, that's the purpose of the law, to stand your ground...

    The rest is all common knowledge if you own a gun or want to ban them I'd guess.
    Guess you didn't read this far:

    The higher rates aren’t simply from “bad guys” getting shot; the research shows the additional deaths created by stand-your-ground laws far surpass the documented cases of defensive gun use in the United States.

    Common knowledge, I guess?
    If I am reading this right then people are getting shot and using the stand your ground clause improperly?  I'm not sure what they are eluding to?
    https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/stand-your-ground/violent-crime.html
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    They don't really know one way or another is what I got from reading that article. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    dudeman said:
    They don't really know one way or another is what I got from reading that article. 
    Ummmm, sure. I’ll take the Rand Corporation’s summary results and analysis over your opinion, man.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2020
    OK. "May increase.....might increase. Inconclusive."

    Sounds like the proverbial, slam dunk smoking gun to me.

    It appears that you read that article through a big fucking cloud of your own personal bias. 
    Post edited by dudeman on
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    edited April 2020
    Guns don't kill people 

    The children of gun owners kill the gun owners 

    Georgia 2-year-old shoots and kills father while handing gun | https://mynbc15.com/news/local/georgia-2-year-old-shoots-and-kills-father-while-handing-gun
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    Guns don't kill people 

    The children of gun owners kill the gun owners 

    Georgia 2-year-old shoots and kills father while handing gun | https://mynbc15.com/news/local/georgia-2-year-old-shoots-and-kills-father-while-handing-gun
    Another “responsible” gun owner. I wonder if they ran out and bought them when gun stores were deemed “essential” and they had to prep for the civil unrest sure to come because of covid? Fear and paranoia.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/21/3-year-old-shot-by-brother-westminster/
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    dudeman said:
    OK. "May increase.....might increase. Inconclusive."

    Sounds like the proverbial, slam dunk smoking gun to me.

    It appears that you read that article through a big fucking cloud of your own personal bias. 
    TY.  I read it and the person who wrote the article was all over the place, almost like they enjoy hearing themselves talk.

    Anyone else read the article?
  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    Guns don't kill people 

    The children of gun owners kill the gun owners 

    Georgia 2-year-old shoots and kills father while handing gun | https://mynbc15.com/news/local/georgia-2-year-old-shoots-and-kills-father-while-handing-gun
    Another “responsible” gun owner. I wonder if they ran out and bought them when gun stores were deemed “essential” and they had to prep for the civil unrest sure to come because of covid? Fear and paranoia.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/21/3-year-old-shot-by-brother-westminster/
    Two extremely tragic stories, but the most troubling thing for me is the type of person upon reading an article like this who runs onto a rock bands forum and mocks those involved. I truly hope these children get the help they are going to need and support from adults that do not find enjoyment in their adversity.
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    JW269453 said:
    Guns don't kill people 

    The children of gun owners kill the gun owners 

    Georgia 2-year-old shoots and kills father while handing gun | https://mynbc15.com/news/local/georgia-2-year-old-shoots-and-kills-father-while-handing-gun
    Another “responsible” gun owner. I wonder if they ran out and bought them when gun stores were deemed “essential” and they had to prep for the civil unrest sure to come because of covid? Fear and paranoia.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/21/3-year-old-shot-by-brother-westminster/
    Two extremely tragic stories, but the most troubling thing for me is the type of person upon reading an article like this who runs onto a rock bands forum and mocks those involved. I truly hope these children get the help they are going to need and support from adults that do not find enjoyment in their adversity.
    Agreed. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    JW269453 said:
    Guns don't kill people 

    The children of gun owners kill the gun owners 

    Georgia 2-year-old shoots and kills father while handing gun | https://mynbc15.com/news/local/georgia-2-year-old-shoots-and-kills-father-while-handing-gun
    Another “responsible” gun owner. I wonder if they ran out and bought them when gun stores were deemed “essential” and they had to prep for the civil unrest sure to come because of covid? Fear and paranoia.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/21/3-year-old-shot-by-brother-westminster/
    Two extremely tragic stories, but the most troubling thing for me is the type of person upon reading an article like this who runs onto a rock bands forum and mocks those involved. I truly hope these children get the help they are going to need and support from adults that do not find enjoyment in their adversity.
    You seem more concerned with a poster posting on a rock band's website than preventing the tragedies of "responsible" gun owners. What should their punishment be and how would you go about trying to reduce the number of kids killing because of unsecured firearms?

    "Enjoyment in their adversity?" That's a fucking leap.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,133
    dudeman said:
    OK. "May increase.....might increase. Inconclusive."

    Sounds like the proverbial, slam dunk smoking gun to me.

    It appears that you read that article through a big fucking cloud of your own personal bias. 
    TY.  I read it and the person who wrote the article was all over the place, almost like they enjoy hearing themselves talk.

    Anyone else read the article?
    Did anyone else read the RAND study and their methodology?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    dudeman said:
    OK. "May increase.....might increase. Inconclusive."

    Sounds like the proverbial, slam dunk smoking gun to me.

    It appears that you read that article through a big fucking cloud of your own personal bias. 
    TY.  I read it and the person who wrote the article was all over the place, almost like they enjoy hearing themselves talk.

    Anyone else read the article?
    Did anyone else read the RAND study and their methodology?
    I actually had to look up what the hell they were talking about and how they derived these theories.

    Someone paid them a lot of money to make up algorithms that agreed with their models.
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