America's Gun Violence
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The Gun Violence Archive provides their definitions and methodologies. Go to the home page and check the drop down menu.dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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My mistake. I misread that it was referring to mass shootings, not school shootings in particular.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0
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You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Does that not bother you, though? That a corrupt organization actively spends its members’ dues to prevent the understanding of the underlying issues relating to gun violence and how to prevent it, minimize and be sane about 2A rights and “responsibilities?”dudeman said:
You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Do you pay dues?dudeman said:
You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".
Are you a proponent of 2A rights?
Do you own firearms?
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I guess it doesn't really bother me. They are an organization with an agenda, just like every other organization. One either agrees with that agenda or they don't. Members support the organization because they believe in their rhetoric. Otherwise, they stop being members.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does that not bother you, though? That a corrupt organization actively spends its members’ dues to prevent the understanding of the underlying issues relating to gun violence and how to prevent it, minimize and be sane about 2A rights and “responsibilities?”dudeman said:
You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Their agenda ends in death, for profit, not wanting to change, to reduce the negative impacts. You’re okay with that? Shrug of the shoulders, it seems? Meh. Am I right?dudeman said:
I guess it doesn't really bother me. They are an organization with an agenda, just like every other organization. One either agrees with that agenda or they don't. Members support the organization because they believe in their rhetoric. Otherwise, they stop being members.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does that not bother you, though? That a corrupt organization actively spends its members’ dues to prevent the understanding of the underlying issues relating to gun violence and how to prevent it, minimize and be sane about 2A rights and “responsibilities?”dudeman said:
You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".
Some members pay dues out of “convenience.” Is that “responsible?”Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I think you are grossly oversimplifying.Halifax2TheMax said:
Their agenda ends in death, for profit, not wanting to change, to reduce the negative impacts. You’re okay with that? Shrug of the shoulders, it seems? Meh. Am I right?dudeman said:
I guess it doesn't really bother me. They are an organization with an agenda, just like every other organization. One either agrees with that agenda or they don't. Members support the organization because they believe in their rhetoric. Otherwise, they stop being members.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does that not bother you, though? That a corrupt organization actively spends its members’ dues to prevent the understanding of the underlying issues relating to gun violence and how to prevent it, minimize and be sane about 2A rights and “responsibilities?”dudeman said:
You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".
Some members pay dues out of “convenience.” Is that “responsible?”If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Am I? Perhaps you could explain?dudeman said:
I think you are grossly oversimplifying.Halifax2TheMax said:
Their agenda ends in death, for profit, not wanting to change, to reduce the negative impacts. You’re okay with that? Shrug of the shoulders, it seems? Meh. Am I right?dudeman said:
I guess it doesn't really bother me. They are an organization with an agenda, just like every other organization. One either agrees with that agenda or they don't. Members support the organization because they believe in their rhetoric. Otherwise, they stop being members.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does that not bother you, though? That a corrupt organization actively spends its members’ dues to prevent the understanding of the underlying issues relating to gun violence and how to prevent it, minimize and be sane about 2A rights and “responsibilities?”dudeman said:
You'd have to ask the NRA. I'm not them.Halifax2TheMax said:
The NRA has been successful in preventing a great amount of defined data to be collected by the CDC, HHS and FBI and local, state and federal law enforcement. Why is that?dudeman said:
I'm interested to know what criteria is being used to label them as "school shootings". Particularly, two in Michigan in April. Schools have been closed since before April. The term "school shooting" conjures images of people being gunned down in classrooms and hallways but that clearly wasn't the case for the ones in April in Michigan. What are the stats derived from?CM189191 said:
There were a fewtempo_n_groove said:
I don't recall reading about any mass shooting in March?CM189191 said:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Did someone target a house across the street from school in a drive by? Maybe someone down the block from a school was the victim of a home invasion or someone who lived next door to a school committed suicide with a gun.
All of those situations are tragic for sure, but I wouldn't say that any of them should be considered as "school shootings".
Some members pay dues out of “convenience.” Is that “responsible?”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I know, challenges. Tough times. Be well! 💯dudeman said:Meh.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You obviously have your opinions about guns and their place in American society and I have different opinions. No need for a bunch of back and forth that is not going to result in anything.
Some people side with the victims of a home invasion and some people side with the thugs who hold women and children at gunpoint.
I know which side I choose and I'm not likely to move.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
And yet, despite your opinions, you’re not willing, or unable to discuss them, to find common ground in an effort to reduce the carnage. So, thanks for being honest, I thought there was a potential “middle.” I guess I could respond with........ but I’d be banned. Instead, it’s evident that, at least with you, there’s no rationality or common ground, so we shouldn’t engage on this issue. Nice society we have.dudeman said:You obviously have your opinions about guns and their place in American society and I have different opinions. No need for a bunch of back and forth that is not going to result in anything.
Some people side with the victims of a home invasion and some people side with the thugs who hold women and children at gunpoint.
I know which side I choose and I'm not likely to move.
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Over and over again for the last 563 pages of this thread I have shared my opinions. Here they are again:
Universal background checks should be required for all gun sales, private parties are not exempt.
People should be held accountable for every single round that leaves their firearm.
All privately owned firearms should be secured with locks and made inaccessible to children.
Live fire and safety training should be required for first time buyers and proficiency training at intervals for current owners.
Nationally recognized concealed carry should be adopted with requirements for proficiency and pending deeper screening standards.
I do find value in having an armed civilian population, for both political and personal protection purposes.
Currently adopted firearms laws should be enforced instead of focusing efforts on banning a particular type of firearm that is used in a very small percentage of overall, criminal gun deaths.
Suicide awareness and mental health services really need help in the US.
Criminals do not obey gun laws and they don't read "Gun Free Zone" signs.
PEOPLE HAVE TO STOP WANTING TO KILL EACH OTHER.
That's a start, anyway.
ETA: All gun owners are not Trump supporters, rednecks, irresponsible, toothless, uneducated, socially inferior, paranoid, Republican or religious zealots. Please stop acting like they are.Post edited by dudeman onIf hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Kinda like Covid-19 yo! But you know, differences of opinion, facts, history snd 500+ pages of opinion. I’ll respond later, dudeman.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Yep, those massive amounts of gun laws work awesome for Chicago. :-?
Unsung... you keep spouting this one, but if this is all you have... then the pro-gun side has nothing. Even the most simple fool can understand the general idea that strict laws in one state can do nothing when neighbouring states do not feature the same laws. So please stop taking us for less than the most simple fools.
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OK, buddy. Have a great day!Halifax2TheMax said:
Kinda like Covid-19 yo! But you know, differences of opinion, facts, history snd 500+ pages of opinion. I’ll respond later, dudeman.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Yep, those massive amounts of gun laws work awesome for Chicago. :-?
Unsung... you keep spouting this one, but if this is all you have... then the pro-gun side has nothing. Even the most simple fool can understand the general idea that strict laws in one state can do nothing when neighbouring states do not feature the same laws. So please stop taking us for less than the most simple fools.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
You forgot to add penis size.dudeman said:Over and over again for the last 563 pages of this thread I have shared my opinions. Here they are again:
Universal background checks should be required for all gun sales, private parties are not exempt.
People should be held accountable for every single round that leaves their firearm.
All privately owned firearms should be secured with locks and made inaccessible to children.
Live fire and safety training should be required for first time buyers and proficiency training at intervals for current owners.
Nationally recognized concealed carry should be adopted with requirements for proficiency and pending deeper screening standards.
I do find value in having an armed civilian population, for both political and personal protection purposes.
Currently adopted firearms laws should be enforced instead of focusing efforts on banning a particular type of firearm that is used in a very small percentage of overall, criminal gun deaths.
Suicide awareness and mental health services really need help in the US.
Criminals do not obey gun laws and they don't read "Gun Free Zone" signs.
PEOPLE HAVE TO STOP WANTING TO KILL EACH OTHER.
That's a start, anyway.
ETA: All gun owners are not Trump supporters, rednecks, irresponsible, toothless, uneducated, socially inferior, paranoid, Republican or religious zealots. Please stop acting like they are.0 -
Dammit! I knew there was one more thing.
I'll go back to my bunker now.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
I don't want anything changed either. I did at first but the continuous back and forth and whatabouts just drove me to a big fat fucking NO.
So whenever someone asks I say, it's fine. But what about?!?! Nope. It's fine.0 -
Looks like it happens in Canada too....
Police: At least 10 killed in shooting rampage in Canada
https://news.yahoo.com/canadian-police-look-shooter-possibly-135549328.html
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