Ed & Bernie Sanders

DewieCox said:

Neither Bernie, nor any other candidate that has a shot is a good candidate. Want some fine things but are so conditioned to the extremes that theyre out of touch with the average American. People are so afraid of giving a mile when offering an inch and that’s killing this country. It’s not gun or abortion laws that are ruining this country. 

If Bernie wins do we get FREE Pearl Jam concerts for life!! Hope so since everything else will be free

So when is Bernie, Ed and all their celebrity friends giving up their armed security?

So people need free college to survive?

patkelly12 said:

I haven't seen a Communist take a beating like this since Rocky IV. (I stole that line.)

Hah!

but, for real, who’s the “communist” we’re talking about?

1ThoughtKnown said:

Anyone calling Bernie Sanders a socialist doesn’t know the meaning of the word. 

Anyone who thinks Canada, Sweden, Norway, Denmark or most of Western Europe are socialist do not know what socialism is. 

Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Every one of those countries listed have successful private enterprise corporations who are as thoughtless and careless and lacking social conscience as any in the US. The difference between the aforementioned nations and the US is a solid social safety net including healthcare and the governments are secular.  Laws are also in place to prevent government from gerrymandering and rigging elections. Gun crime is minimal. 

People still fall through the cracks and of course nothing is perfect... but there is no denying these nations are safer to live and generally have happier citizens. 

Sanders is not a socialist.. 

That is all true, except Bernie doesn't actually like how those countries operate.  He uses them as a don't think I am a kook cloak.  If he actually talked about the economics of Canada, Sweden, Norway and Denmark, how they budget and pay for things and how the health care systems in those countries operate, I would be open to hearing more from him.  But that ain't what he is doing.  Maybe he will pivot now, and decide he can't hide from the math, but I don't think he will.  Details are boring to guys who want to be seen as and profess to by revolutionaries (his word not mine) and they want to keep people excited by just promising shit that sounds super awesome and not get bogged down into that math doesn't make sense.  

He no longer has any possible chance of victory in this race unless he starts to address the details.  

EarlWelsh said:

PB11041 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Anyone calling Bernie Sanders a socialist doesn’t know the meaning of the word. 

Anyone who thinks Canada, Sweden, Norway, Denmark or most of Western Europe are socialist do not know what socialism is. 

Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Every one of those countries listed have successful private enterprise corporations who are as thoughtless and careless and lacking social conscience as any in the US. The difference between the aforementioned nations and the US is a solid social safety net including healthcare and the governments are secular.  Laws are also in place to prevent government from gerrymandering and rigging elections. Gun crime is minimal. 

People still fall through the cracks and of course nothing is perfect... but there is no denying these nations are safer to live and generally have happier citizens. 

Sanders is not a socialist.. 

That is all true, except Bernie doesn't actually like how those countries operate.  He uses them as a don't think I am a kook cloak.  If he actually talked about the economics of Canada, Sweden, Norway and Denmark, how they budget and pay for things and how the health care systems in those countries operate, I would be open to hearing more from him.  But that ain't what he is doing.  Maybe he will pivot now, and decide he can't hide from the math, but I don't think he will.  Details are boring to guys who want to be seen as and profess to by revolutionaries (his word not mine) and they want to keep people excited by just promising shit that sounds super awesome and not get bogged down into that math doesn't make sense.  

He no longer has any possible chance of victory in this race unless he starts to address the details.  

What’s wrong with his plan for getting us there? I don’t think he uses those countries as a cloak necessarily. I mean, his plans are out there in the open for those who want to know them. 

all of his "plans" have been scored by independent bodies and the math never checks out. So yeah, they are out there in the open to be scrutinized as totally not possible as laid out.