So, Nader is running again.

CitizenRick wrote:

I would love to have a wager on this...if that were the matchup. There will not be a republican President this time...Guaranteed!!!!!!

BTW...Hillary is barely a Democrat.

I will bet a million, trillion gazillion dollars that Hillary will not be president.

I think you're putting way too many eggs in the "people hate Republicans" basket. Independents will vote for McCain. They aren't voting for Hill.

It might end up a moot point, if Obama wins the nom. But if it's Hillary ... prepare for (at least) four more years of a republican in office.

EDIT: McCain leads Hillary by eight points nationally in the latest Rasmussen head-to-head poll. For whatever that's worth.

slightofjeff wrote:

I will bet a million, trillion gazillion dollars that Hillary will not be president.

I think you're putting way too many eggs in the "people hate Republicans" basket. Independents will vote for McCain. They aren't voting for Hill.

It might end up a moot point, if Obama wins the nom. But if it's Hillary ... prepare for (at least) four more years of a republican in office.

EDIT: McCain leads Hillary by eight points nationally in the latest Rasmussen head-to-head poll. For whatever that's worth.

This WILL be a moot point...because Obama will be the Nominee. I'm not saying people hate republicans...I'm just saying "they" want change...and that we as a people are tired of 8 years of war and a collapsing economy.

I know what the Rasmussen reads right now...but if the nations feet were held to the fire (Clinton vs McCain)...it would be an entirely different story.

We'll never know though...because Obama will be wiping the floor with any GOP nominee.

pjl44 wrote:

Yeah...I'm definitely behind Ron Paul, but would probably vote for Obama if he gets the nomination and Paul doesn't run 3rd party.

Do you know anything about Ron Paul? Go to his website and read some of the outrageous shit he thinks. He will NEVER be president of this country.

pjl44 wrote:

Of course I know about him...I didn't just pull his name out of a hat. And of course he more than likely won't get elected, but what he's pulling in the primaries (and what he would pull as a 3rd party candidate) speak to a growing Libertarian sentiment that feels under-represented.

What do you find "outrageous?"

his stance on abortion and roe v. wade
the fact he wants to abolish the IRS and federal income tax (the irs needs to be put back in check as the power it currently wields is outrageous but you can't just get rid of government agencies because you feel like it)
he wants the US out of the UN and NATO
the elimination of federal funding from schools (private and state funding which means rich areas will obviously have better schools and the poor areas will suffer even more)
his stance on immigration (even a democrat would blush at the kind of spending he's talking about)

he promises bullshit. you want a definition of hyperbole then look at what ron paul says he'll do if he's ever president. he's lying to you. the majority of people are for him because he's talking about getting the US out of iraq immediately (riiiiight..even the democrat who will probably win won't do that regardless of if they say so or not)

hobbes wrote:

his stance on abortion and roe v. wade
the fact he wants to abolish the IRS and federal income tax (the irs needs to be put back in check as the power it currently wields is outrageous but you can't just get rid of government agencies because you feel like it)
he wants the US out of the UN and NATO
the elimination of federal funding from schools (private and state funding which means rich areas will obviously have better schools and the poor areas will suffer even more)
his stance on immigration (even a democrat would blush at the kind of spending he's talking about)

he promises bullshit. you want a definition of hyperbole then look at what ron paul says he'll do if he's ever president. he's lying to you. the majority of people are for him because he's talking about getting the US out of iraq immediately (riiiiight..even the democrat who will probably win won't do that regardless of if they say so or not)

1. I completely disagree with his stance on abortion, but it's not an important issue. People latch onto it because it's simple to have an opinion. If Roe v. Wade was ever overturned (which it won't be), states would still have the ability to decide.
2. He's not talking about eliminating the IRS on a whim. He wants to explore alternative flat and sales taxes rather than the income tax. If you don't have an income tax, you don't need the IRS.
3. Eliminating federal funding for schools isn't where the story ends. He favors a tax credit for each child that facilitates school choice. As is evidenced by the No Child Left Behind Act, schools are worse off when the federal government interferes (vs. state control alone). (By the way, what difference has federal funding made for schools in lower income areas to date?)
4. I don't agree with every plank of his immigration platform, but what spending are you referring to?

He's not talking "bullshit"...it's a lot of Libertarian ideals, some of which are being adopted my mainstream candidates. And I agree with your notion that no one has a clue what to realistically do with Iraq at this point. I'm just impressed that he was prescient enough to vote against it for all the right reasons five years ago.

Doodah972 wrote:

"...BTW hillary is barely a democrat"

How is she not a democrat?..

She is registered as a democrat...but she has the ideals of a moderate. I was totally being figurative.

I really hope McCain doesn't win. Seriously...the guy wants to continue the war in Iraq, and possibly invade Iran, because we haven't over extended the US military now, with troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, and other areas of problems.

I can't believe this thought process is that popular, considering the shit this administration put us through. We are going to be paying of the debt from this war, as well as all the other debt this administration has obtained for at least two decades.