America's Gun Violence
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Some of us are the voice of change and vote accordingly. Change takes time. Approach means everything.Halifax2TheMax said:
And yet nothing changes. “Responsible” gun owners aren’t held accountable because “there’s no law against it.” The way I see it, you level headed “responsible” gun owners need to be the voice of change because the NRA and pro gun law makers don’t listen to the rest of us. Why some here are members of the NRA out of convenience. How’s that working?dudeman said:
I don't recall reading those things here on AMT but I may be wrong. It seems to me that most of the pro-gun posters on this forum are pretty level headed and reasonable. There are certainly gun-toting whack jobs out there but I have never gotten the impression that any of them post here.Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t think I’ve ever read anyone on here support penalties for “responsible” gun owner parents to be held accountable when their guns kill someone, whether accidentally or when their kids get a hold of them and kill someone else or themselves. It’s usually “they’ve suffered enough” or “it’s a tragic accident.” Or, it’s the excuses you’ve offered.mace1229 said:
I'm not sure why you keep saying that. Most gun owners here, myself included, have said we are okay with penalties for parents. I even just said that in my last response, but then you come back and accuse gun owners of not wanting responsibility and some slippery slope thing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Negligent homicide doesn’t apply? Would you allow the “responsible” gun owner to own firearms? Would you believe differently if it was your son or grandson who was killed?mace1229 said:
Even using a fake gun in a robbery is still considered armed robbery in most cases, so that analogy doesn't apply. And by fake I mean a toy or wooden gun, not a BB gun.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
I didn't think anyone could die from a BB gun, even if you were shot in the eye.Halifax2TheMax said:Like these guys? Murica, land of the “responsible” gun owner.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/us/teenager-bb-gun-death-trnd/index.html
But are you now lumping in BB guns with actual firearms now? I don't think it is fair to say the parents deserve 5-10 for what most wouldn't consider a deadly weapon and foresee this type of accident.
If it was a real gun, I would agree with you. But a kid with a BB gun, parents should be civilly responsible, not criminally.
Should those “responsible” gun owners be legally allowed to own “real” firearms? Showing how “responsible” they’ve been with “fake” firearms? A kid is dead and you want to excuse it. Unreal.mace1229 said:
I didn't think anyone could die from a BB gun, even if you were shot in the eye.Halifax2TheMax said:Like these guys? Murica, land of the “responsible” gun owner.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/us/teenager-bb-gun-death-trnd/index.html
But are you now lumping in BB guns with actual firearms now? I don't think it is fair to say the parents deserve 5-10 for what most wouldn't consider a deadly weapon and foresee this type of accident.
If it was a real gun, I would agree with you. But a kid with a BB gun, parents should be civilly responsible, not criminally.
An inner city youth holds up a liquor store with a BB gun. No jail time for armed robbery?
But I will admit I may change my opinion, partially because the title of the article you linked was misleading. It wasn't a BB-gun, it was an air rifle. BB guns are usually a lot weaker, like the Christmas Story version. and I think of them as spring loaded. Air rifles, which can also shoot a BB or pellet, are much more powerful and can actually be used for small game hunting. I don't know if the writers used BB gun in the title make it pop out more, or if that is just my understanding of the difference is not widely used. I can't recall if I've ever had that discussion before so I'm not sure where or why I have that perception of the difference between the 2.
Either way I still wouldn't support jail time in this case, because I don't think there are any laws for locking up air rifles. So then what laws were broken by the parent? I would probably be in support of treating an air rifle that meats certain specifications as a firearm, but you cant create that new bill then retroactively charge people with passed crimes.
What is it about “responsible” gun owners who don’t want to see “responsible” gun owners held accountable? Is that some slippery slope you’re afraid of?
I can't answer the question about should this guy own guns. I don't know anything about him or really this scenario beyond what a single article stated. Did the dad even know it was there, or did an 18 year old stepson who borrowed the car leave it in the back seat? I have no idea, so I won't comment on what should or shouldn't happen to the dad.
I thought as a “responsible” gun owner, you were supposed to assume that every gun is loaded and that any gun can kill you? So how does a loaded gun end up in the back seat of a car, unsecured with an eight year old? And no one should be held accountable? You don’t support jail time in this case, so what should the penalty be?
You appear to be calling out the type of gun owners who are not really represented here and I don't think that you'll find the reactions you may be looking for since most of us likely agree with you on this issue.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Approach, like getting all geared up and toting your guns to the statehouse to protest legislation passed by democratically elected legislators? Approach, like peace officers sworn to uphold the constitution refusing to uphold democratically passed red flag laws? Approach, like creating gun sanctuaries in response to democratically passed responsible gun legislation? Approach, like still going on about how libs want to take all of your guns away (your in both instances being in a general sense and not you personally)?dudeman said:
Some of us are the voice of change and vote accordingly. Change takes time. Approach means everything.Halifax2TheMax said:
And yet nothing changes. “Responsible” gun owners aren’t held accountable because “there’s no law against it.” The way I see it, you level headed “responsible” gun owners need to be the voice of change because the NRA and pro gun law makers don’t listen to the rest of us. Why some here are members of the NRA out of convenience. How’s that working?dudeman said:
I don't recall reading those things here on AMT but I may be wrong. It seems to me that most of the pro-gun posters on this forum are pretty level headed and reasonable. There are certainly gun-toting whack jobs out there but I have never gotten the impression that any of them post here.Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t think I’ve ever read anyone on here support penalties for “responsible” gun owner parents to be held accountable when their guns kill someone, whether accidentally or when their kids get a hold of them and kill someone else or themselves. It’s usually “they’ve suffered enough” or “it’s a tragic accident.” Or, it’s the excuses you’ve offered.mace1229 said:
I'm not sure why you keep saying that. Most gun owners here, myself included, have said we are okay with penalties for parents. I even just said that in my last response, but then you come back and accuse gun owners of not wanting responsibility and some slippery slope thing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Negligent homicide doesn’t apply? Would you allow the “responsible” gun owner to own firearms? Would you believe differently if it was your son or grandson who was killed?mace1229 said:
Even using a fake gun in a robbery is still considered armed robbery in most cases, so that analogy doesn't apply. And by fake I mean a toy or wooden gun, not a BB gun.Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:
I didn't think anyone could die from a BB gun, even if you were shot in the eye.Halifax2TheMax said:Like these guys? Murica, land of the “responsible” gun owner.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/us/teenager-bb-gun-death-trnd/index.html
But are you now lumping in BB guns with actual firearms now? I don't think it is fair to say the parents deserve 5-10 for what most wouldn't consider a deadly weapon and foresee this type of accident.
If it was a real gun, I would agree with you. But a kid with a BB gun, parents should be civilly responsible, not criminally.
Should those “responsible” gun owners be legally allowed to own “real” firearms? Showing how “responsible” they’ve been with “fake” firearms? A kid is dead and you want to excuse it. Unreal.mace1229 said:
I didn't think anyone could die from a BB gun, even if you were shot in the eye.Halifax2TheMax said:Like these guys? Murica, land of the “responsible” gun owner.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/us/teenager-bb-gun-death-trnd/index.html
But are you now lumping in BB guns with actual firearms now? I don't think it is fair to say the parents deserve 5-10 for what most wouldn't consider a deadly weapon and foresee this type of accident.
If it was a real gun, I would agree with you. But a kid with a BB gun, parents should be civilly responsible, not criminally.
An inner city youth holds up a liquor store with a BB gun. No jail time for armed robbery?
But I will admit I may change my opinion, partially because the title of the article you linked was misleading. It wasn't a BB-gun, it was an air rifle. BB guns are usually a lot weaker, like the Christmas Story version. and I think of them as spring loaded. Air rifles, which can also shoot a BB or pellet, are much more powerful and can actually be used for small game hunting. I don't know if the writers used BB gun in the title make it pop out more, or if that is just my understanding of the difference is not widely used. I can't recall if I've ever had that discussion before so I'm not sure where or why I have that perception of the difference between the 2.
Either way I still wouldn't support jail time in this case, because I don't think there are any laws for locking up air rifles. So then what laws were broken by the parent? I would probably be in support of treating an air rifle that meats certain specifications as a firearm, but you cant create that new bill then retroactively charge people with passed crimes.
What is it about “responsible” gun owners who don’t want to see “responsible” gun owners held accountable? Is that some slippery slope you’re afraid of?
I can't answer the question about should this guy own guns. I don't know anything about him or really this scenario beyond what a single article stated. Did the dad even know it was there, or did an 18 year old stepson who borrowed the car leave it in the back seat? I have no idea, so I won't comment on what should or shouldn't happen to the dad.
I thought as a “responsible” gun owner, you were supposed to assume that every gun is loaded and that any gun can kill you? So how does a loaded gun end up in the back seat of a car, unsecured with an eight year old? And no one should be held accountable? You don’t support jail time in this case, so what should the penalty be?
You appear to be calling out the type of gun owners who are not really represented here and I don't think that you'll find the reactions you may be looking for since most of us likely agree with you on this issue.
Google the Florida air rifle shooting and choose one of the local tv station’s reporting and then read some of the other gun related stories that follow, like the pool boy shot by the iguana hunter and the lack of regulation around shooting iguanas. Fucking madness. I’m tired of waiting for “responsible” to kick in.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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“Responsible?” I wonder, if another armed visitor felt threatened and shot her, would they be charged? And if the two of them engaged in a shootout and there was collateral damage of bystanders, who would you hold “responsible?” Murica, land of the free. Remind me to avoid Ohio as well.
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09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Well, I guess there is a silver lining!Halifax2TheMax said:“Responsible?” I wonder, if another armed visitor felt threatened and shot her, would they be charged? And if the two of them engaged in a shootout and there was collateral damage of bystanders, who would you hold “responsible?” Murica, land of the free. Remind me to avoid Ohio as well.
https://apple.news/AMM24c3oURRi0kKV8kiAWhQ
Seriously though, this is such a slam dunk issue I have no idea how we got to this point.hippiemom = goodness0 -
“Responsible?”
09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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old image. just saying. especially egregious as it wss done on Kent State campus.Halifax2TheMax said:“Responsible?”
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Still begs the question, “responsible?”mickeyrat said:
old image. just saying. especially egregious as it wss done on Kent State campus.Halifax2TheMax said:“Responsible?”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Still begs the question, “responsible?”mickeyrat said:
old image. just saying. especially egregious as it wss done on Kent State campus.Halifax2TheMax said:“Responsible?”enough. slung from her back. not brandishing. doesnt appear to be situated in such a way to come to ready fire position. very large mag, but will assume loaded cuz thats the safe assumption.What this seems to have done is set her up nicely to be an internet personality, suggesting no other ambition to apply whatever skills and intelligence she may possess.I believe its incredibly insensitive given her schools history.the article linked above this was a stunt to garner more attention. so shes an attention whore which further builds her "brand" which seems to be provocateur. given this is the first I've seen of her since the grad pictures suggests she isnt doing very well in that arena._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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How many people did she shoot?Halifax2TheMax said:“Responsible?”If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
The epitome of “responsibility,” how many people didn’t you shoot today? Or any day, I guess.dudeman said:
How many people did she shoot?Halifax2TheMax said:“Responsible?”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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No one got hurt, no laws were broken. Sounds pretty responsible to me. I would never carry a gun around like that and I don't agree with the "Come and take it" attitude but this sounds like a non-event to me.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0
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I don’t think that’s legal...CM189191 said:
like yelling fire in a crowded theaterdudeman said:No one got hurt, no laws were broken. Sounds pretty responsible to me. I would never carry a gun around like that and I don't agree with the "Come and take it" attitude but this sounds like a non-event to me.0 -
Mmmmm......not really.CM189191 said:
like yelling fire in a crowded theaterdudeman said:No one got hurt, no laws were broken. Sounds pretty responsible to me. I would never carry a gun around like that and I don't agree with the "Come and take it" attitude but this sounds like a non-event to me.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Ugh no.CM189191 said:
like yelling fire in a crowded theaterdudeman said:No one got hurt, no laws were broken. Sounds pretty responsible to me. I would never carry a gun around like that and I don't agree with the "Come and take it" attitude but this sounds like a non-event to me.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Ummmm...for me that highlights the problem...no laws were broken by taking a weapon out in the open and having that antagonistic attitude. That is the problem.dudeman said:No one got hurt, no laws were broken. Sounds pretty responsible to me. I would never carry a gun around like that and I don't agree with the "Come and take it" attitude but this sounds like a non-event to me.
Please tell me, what is the benefit of being able to do that? Now what is the risk in a situation like that? This is a simple Risk Assessment. It's just proof how dumb the gun laws are.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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dudeman said:Stand-your-ground law:A stand-your-ground law establishes a right by which a person may defend one's self or others against threats or perceived threats, even to the point of applying lethal force, regardless of whether safely retreating from the situation might have been possible
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