***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

We focus a lot on vulnerable Republicans, but this is a reminder that the vulnerable Democrats factor into the equation, too.

https://amp.axios.com/joe-manchin-hunter-biden-witness-trump-impeachment-bd87b99c-227b-4475-9376-40380be8cbd9.html

Didn't Manchin just get reelected in 2018? Therefore I don't think he would really have to worry about his stance. I could be wrong.

Vulnerable was a poor word choice. Meant those who are in generally tentative seats.

I think it was the right choice.  He's perpetually vulnerable, as a Democrat in a deep red state.  

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

We focus a lot on vulnerable Republicans, but this is a reminder that the vulnerable Democrats factor into the equation, too.

https://amp.axios.com/joe-manchin-hunter-biden-witness-trump-impeachment-bd87b99c-227b-4475-9376-40380be8cbd9.html

Didn't Manchin just get reelected in 2018? Therefore I don't think he would really have to worry about his stance. I could be wrong.

Vulnerable was a poor word choice. Meant those who are in generally tentative seats.

I think it was the right choice.  He's perpetually vulnerable, as a Democrat in a deep red state.  

I like to think they can focus on legislating for 4 years or so before the soul-crushing dread of their next election starts to kick in

I think that's true, but whatever the vote is here might come back to haunt him.  If Trump is the president during his next campaign, you can be sure that's the ad that will run.  By contrast, if half the country gets their collective brains and souls back, it could be a positive to vote to remove.  That's the gamble he will have to take.  So since there's puts and takes on both sides, hopefully he will just vote his conscience.  

I think Doug Jones votes nay though.  He is up this year I believe.  

Trio of Dem senators considering vote to acquit Trump

Spiritual_Chaos said:

jeffbr said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

We focus a lot on vulnerable Republicans, but this is a reminder that the vulnerable Democrats factor into the equation, too.

https://amp.axios.com/joe-manchin-hunter-biden-witness-trump-impeachment-bd87b99c-227b-4475-9376-40380be8cbd9.html

Didn't Manchin just get reelected in 2018? Therefore I don't think he would really have to worry about his stance. I could be wrong.

Vulnerable was a poor word choice. Meant those who are in generally tentative seats.

I think it was the right choice.  He's perpetually vulnerable, as a Democrat in a deep red state.  

I like to think they can focus on legislating for 4 years or so before the soul-crushing dread of their next election starts to kick in

I think that's true, but whatever the vote is here might come back to haunt him.  If Trump is the president during his next campaign, you can be sure that's the ad that will run.  By contrast, if half the country gets their collective brains and souls back, it could be a positive to vote to remove.  That's the gamble he will have to take.  So since there's puts and takes on both sides, hopefully he will just vote his conscience.  

I think Doug Jones votes nay though.  He is up this year I believe.  

Sounds like Manchin, Jones and Sinema according to Politico.

Trio of Dem senators considering vote to acquit Trump

Surprised by Manchin. Such a standfast hell of a guy

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

We focus a lot on vulnerable Republicans, but this is a reminder that the vulnerable Democrats factor into the equation, too.

https://amp.axios.com/joe-manchin-hunter-biden-witness-trump-impeachment-bd87b99c-227b-4475-9376-40380be8cbd9.html

Didn't Manchin just get reelected in 2018? Therefore I don't think he would really have to worry about his stance. I could be wrong.

Vulnerable was a poor word choice. Meant those who are in generally tentative seats.

I think it was the right choice.  He's perpetually vulnerable, as a Democrat in a deep red state.  

I like to think they can focus on legislating for 4 years or so before the soul-crushing dread of their next election starts to kick in

I think that's true, but whatever the vote is here might come back to haunt him.  If Trump is the president during his next campaign, you can be sure that's the ad that will run.  By contrast, if half the country gets their collective brains and souls back, it could be a positive to vote to remove.  That's the gamble he will have to take.  So since there's puts and takes on both sides, hopefully he will just vote his conscience.  

I think Doug Jones votes nay though.  He is up this year I believe.  

Agree completely with just about all of this, although I'm skeptical whether people will still care about the impeachment vote in 2024. At least the *2020* impeachment vote.

What you're saying gets to my larger point about how we on here focus a lot of energy on the vulnerable Rs and don't really acknowledge how the vulnerable Ds might swing some of these votes.

The Juggler said:

First things first is to get the witnesses. I don't think there is any doubt these three will vote against that. If Bolton's testimony is as explosive as advertised, would make it tough on them to not vote for removal. 

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

First things first is to get the witnesses. I don't think there is any doubt these three will vote against that. If Bolton's testimony is as explosive as advertised, would make it tough on them to not vote for removal. 

Interesting.  I'm reading it the other way.  Schumer said his caucus is united on the topic.  I don't see how they vote against witnesses. Might as well exit the D at that point. 

I think we do agree?

Smellyman said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

Lemon and Cuomo are kind of aggravating.  I don't know what it is, but they don't know how to subtly drop their opinion.  It's over the top.  I like Cooper and Wolf, but the rest of the CNN cast is not very talented.  

Cuomo is okay in my book. He seems at least a little more impartial. Sure, he will give his opinion, but he also gives time for both sides to talk. Always has opposing viewpoints on his show.

Lemon is just a partisan clown. His show is a joke. I've felt like that since before Trump. And I like Rick Wilson, but Lemon could not have acted less professionally there. He should've just cut Wilson off and moved on. Now, he's a campaign ad for Trump. 

Cuomo tries to be too impartial.  He brings a lot of right wing Idiots spouting lunacy and he never plays journalist and asks tough follow up questions.