***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • mrussel1
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    I'm guessing John Roberts will call for Bolton to testify if the GOP doesn't do the right thing.
    he can do that?
    He can talk out his ass about his opinion, but nothing binding in the least.  This is not his role.  The rules of the trial are set by the senate.  He is there to enforce them.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
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    mrussel1 said:
    I'm guessing John Roberts will call for Bolton to testify if the GOP doesn't do the right thing.
    he can do that?
    He can talk out his ass about his opinion, but nothing binding in the least.  This is not his role.  The rules of the trial are set by the senate.  He is there to enforce them.  
    that's what I thought. 
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  • The Juggler
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    Source suggests that the full information in Bolton manuscript is damning to Trump

    From CNN's Kristen Holmes

    A source familiar with the John Bolton's book suggested the full information within the unpublished manuscript was damning to President Trump and would make it much harder for Republican senators to play the “nothing new here” card. 

    The source also responded to Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s comments on wanting to see it, saying, “I’m not sure he does.” 

    More on this: Graham told CNN that he wants to see the Bolton manuscript.

    “What we have to do here is evaluate the manuscript and see if it's a reason to add to the record,” he said.

    Asked if he would support a subpoena to get the manuscript, the South Carolina Republican said, “I want to know what's in the manuscript, yeah, I think that’s important.” 

    He said the manuscript could change his thinking on calling witnesses. 

    “It could. I don’t know yet. The White House said there was no direct evidence of communications, maybe this suggests that one person said there might be," Graham said.

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    PENS!
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  • ikiT
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    everybody knows it.
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  • mrussel1
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    Source suggests that the full information in Bolton manuscript is damning to Trump

    From CNN's Kristen Holmes

    A source familiar with the John Bolton's book suggested the full information within the unpublished manuscript was damning to President Trump and would make it much harder for Republican senators to play the “nothing new here” card. 

    The source also responded to Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s comments on wanting to see it, saying, “I’m not sure he does.” 

    More on this: Graham told CNN that he wants to see the Bolton manuscript.

    “What we have to do here is evaluate the manuscript and see if it's a reason to add to the record,” he said.

    Asked if he would support a subpoena to get the manuscript, the South Carolina Republican said, “I want to know what's in the manuscript, yeah, I think that’s important.” 

    He said the manuscript could change his thinking on calling witnesses. 

    “It could. I don’t know yet. The White House said there was no direct evidence of communications, maybe this suggests that one person said there might be," Graham said.

    Trump is such a fool.  There were lots of arguments that his lawyers could have made that cast doubt, not on whether he withheld aid, but whether that was impeachable conduct.  Mulvaney even tried a clumsy, inarticulate version of that in his news conference.  But because Trump is a such a narcissist, he went with the "perfect call" "no quid pro quo", "hearsay" defense.  You even heard some Senators say that no one that has testified had first hand conversations with Trump (although not sure that's true about Sondland). So now the entire strategy is in shambles because Bolton blows up all of that.  You NEVER make your defense on something that can be disproven.  It's a recipe for disaster. 
  • dignin
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    Bolton throws Barr under the bus too.


  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:

    Source suggests that the full information in Bolton manuscript is damning to Trump

    From CNN's Kristen Holmes

    A source familiar with the John Bolton's book suggested the full information within the unpublished manuscript was damning to President Trump and would make it much harder for Republican senators to play the “nothing new here” card. 

    The source also responded to Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s comments on wanting to see it, saying, “I’m not sure he does.” 

    More on this: Graham told CNN that he wants to see the Bolton manuscript.

    “What we have to do here is evaluate the manuscript and see if it's a reason to add to the record,” he said.

    Asked if he would support a subpoena to get the manuscript, the South Carolina Republican said, “I want to know what's in the manuscript, yeah, I think that’s important.” 

    He said the manuscript could change his thinking on calling witnesses. 

    “It could. I don’t know yet. The White House said there was no direct evidence of communications, maybe this suggests that one person said there might be," Graham said.

    Trump is such a fool.  There were lots of arguments that his lawyers could have made that cast doubt, not on whether he withheld aid, but whether that was impeachable conduct.  Mulvaney even tried a clumsy, inarticulate version of that in his news conference.  But because Trump is a such a narcissist, he went with the "perfect call" "no quid pro quo", "hearsay" defense.  You even heard some Senators say that no one that has testified had first hand conversations with Trump (although not sure that's true about Sondland). So now the entire strategy is in shambles because Bolton blows up all of that.  You NEVER make your defense on something that can be disproven.  It's a recipe for disaster. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    OnWis97 said:
    (Is it just me or did the font change on this board in the last five minutes?)
    yes, everything is either super bold or grey. 
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  • The Juggler
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    OnWis97 said:
    (Is it just me or did the font change on this board in the last five minutes?)
    yes, everything is either super bold or grey. 
    Thought it was just my computer. ha

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  • mrussel1
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    OnWis97 said:
    (Is it just me or did the font change on this board in the last five minutes?)
    YES!  I had a big MS365 install go in recently so I thought it might be connected.  I'm glad you mentioned this.  
  • The Juggler
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    Even a casual follower of this trial can easily blow all 6 of their arguments to smithereens.

    By the way--I find it amusing that none of the Trump supporters in here are even bothering to post while this has been going on. One, in particular, made it a point to mention how big a supporter of Ukraine he was. 

    Deputy White House counsel Mike Purpura introduced them on Saturday and the President's attorney Jay Sekulow repeated them on Monday. 

    1. “The transcript shows that the President did not condition either security assistance or a meeting on anything. The paused security assistance funds aren't even mentioned on the call,” Sekulow said. 
    2. “President Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials repeatedly said there was no quid pro quo and no pressure on them to review anything.”
    3. “President Zelensky and high-ranking Ukrainian officials did not even know the security assistance was paused until the end of August, over a month after the July 25 call.”
    4. “Not a single witness testified that the President himself said that that there was any connection between any investigation and security assistance, a presidential meeting or anything else.”
    5. “The security assistance flowed on September 11 and a presidential meeting took place on September 25th without the Ukrainian government, without Ukrainian government announcing any investigations.
    6. “In the blind drive to impeach the president, President Trump, in reality, strategically has been the best friend and supporter of Ukraine certainly in our recent history. These are the facts.”
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  • Even a casual follower of this trial can easily blow all 6 of their arguments to smithereens.

    By the way--I find it amusing that none of the Trump supporters in here are even bothering to post while this has been going on. One, in particular, made it a point to mention how big a supporter of Ukraine he was. 

    Deputy White House counsel Mike Purpura introduced them on Saturday and the President's attorney Jay Sekulow repeated them on Monday. 

    1. “The transcript shows that the President did not condition either security assistance or a meeting on anything. The paused security assistance funds aren't even mentioned on the call,” Sekulow said. 
    2. “President Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials repeatedly said there was no quid pro quo and no pressure on them to review anything.”
    3. “President Zelensky and high-ranking Ukrainian officials did not even know the security assistance was paused until the end of August, over a month after the July 25 call.”
    4. “Not a single witness testified that the President himself said that that there was any connection between any investigation and security assistance, a presidential meeting or anything else.”
    5. “The security assistance flowed on September 11 and a presidential meeting took place on September 25th without the Ukrainian government, without Ukrainian government announcing any investigations.
    6. “In the blind drive to impeach the president, President Trump, in reality, strategically has been the best friend and supporter of Ukraine certainly in our recent history. These are the facts.”
    It won’t matter. The dems could have Team Trump Treason on video and voice recordings smacking Zelensky with a stick while screaming, “the aid won’t be released until you announce and contrive evidence of corruption against the Bidens,” repeatedly and Lindsey “flimsy, Flipflop Faloozy” will claim that the “aid” was referencing a jailed some one or other and it’s all nonsense. Team Trump Treason is their Messiah and they’ve given their souls to him.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    Even a casual follower of this trial can easily blow all 6 of their arguments to smithereens.

    By the way--I find it amusing that none of the Trump supporters in here are even bothering to post while this has been going on. One, in particular, made it a point to mention how big a supporter of Ukraine he was. 

    Deputy White House counsel Mike Purpura introduced them on Saturday and the President's attorney Jay Sekulow repeated them on Monday. 

    1. “The transcript shows that the President did not condition either security assistance or a meeting on anything. The paused security assistance funds aren't even mentioned on the call,” Sekulow said. 
    2. “President Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials repeatedly said there was no quid pro quo and no pressure on them to review anything.”
    3. “President Zelensky and high-ranking Ukrainian officials did not even know the security assistance was paused until the end of August, over a month after the July 25 call.”
    4. “Not a single witness testified that the President himself said that that there was any connection between any investigation and security assistance, a presidential meeting or anything else.”
    5. “The security assistance flowed on September 11 and a presidential meeting took place on September 25th without the Ukrainian government, without Ukrainian government announcing any investigations.
    6. “In the blind drive to impeach the president, President Trump, in reality, strategically has been the best friend and supporter of Ukraine certainly in our recent history. These are the facts.”
    yes a casual follower can blow these to smithereens, but we need to keep in mind that the jury are 53 sycophants, not unbiased seekers of the truth.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
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    Even a casual follower of this trial can easily blow all 6 of their arguments to smithereens.

    By the way--I find it amusing that none of the Trump supporters in here are even bothering to post while this has been going on. One, in particular, made it a point to mention how big a supporter of Ukraine he was. 

    Deputy White House counsel Mike Purpura introduced them on Saturday and the President's attorney Jay Sekulow repeated them on Monday. 

    1. “The transcript shows that the President did not condition either security assistance or a meeting on anything. The paused security assistance funds aren't even mentioned on the call,” Sekulow said. 
    2. “President Zelensky and other Ukrainian officials repeatedly said there was no quid pro quo and no pressure on them to review anything.”
    3. “President Zelensky and high-ranking Ukrainian officials did not even know the security assistance was paused until the end of August, over a month after the July 25 call.”
    4. “Not a single witness testified that the President himself said that that there was any connection between any investigation and security assistance, a presidential meeting or anything else.”
    5. “The security assistance flowed on September 11 and a presidential meeting took place on September 25th without the Ukrainian government, without Ukrainian government announcing any investigations.
    6. “In the blind drive to impeach the president, President Trump, in reality, strategically has been the best friend and supporter of Ukraine certainly in our recent history. These are the facts.”
    It won’t matter. The dems could have Team Trump Treason on video and voice recordings smacking Zelensky with a stick while screaming, “the aid won’t be released until you announce and contrive evidence of corruption against the Bidens,” repeatedly and Lindsey “flimsy, Flipflop Faloozy” will claim that the “aid” was referencing a jailed some one or other and it’s all nonsense. Team Trump Treason is their Messiah and they’ve given their souls to him.
    i would have to agree. they are throwing all their chips on his colour, and come election time, they just might lose it all. 
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  • Defending Team Trump Treason right now on the floor of the Senate. I wonder what recordings Lev has of her? "He doesn't know him." Sure.

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  • ikiT
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    Where's Hunter Biden?  oh THERE HE IS.
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  • ikiT
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    so not relevant.  spin spin
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