OFFICIAL TM PLATINUM ????? PJ...please ...say it ain't so.

nicknyr15 · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

Sports teams, Broadway, the Opera, etc. all charge premium prices for premium tickets

But damn it that rock band better not charge one penny more than $98 for next to stage tickets, after I steal their album on Napster.

Is this a joke? I’m not an expert on platinum seats, nor do I know how they will play out with PJ. But I did watch it with Tools tour and here’s what saw:

shows went on sale
shows “sold out”
weeks later, miraculously, whole rows of BLUE dots appeared for double to triple the original price during the initial on sale. I actually called TM to ask how these whole rows became available. I was told it was cancellations or credit card declines 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fuckin joke answer. What a coincidence that a whole row of diff people canceled at the same time. What are the odds?

So, they created false demand by staggering the release of tickets and claiming initially it was a sell out, then double the price based on demand. Demand that they created. Does that sound right to you?

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

PJNB said:

I am curious if people are going to be ok with their 10 club seats getting pushed back further and further for these platinum seats.

So they made a lifelong contract with fans in 1991 and created a permanent entitlement for every publicly sold seat?

PSUS2H · January 2020

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Sports teams, Broadway, the Opera, etc. all charge premium prices for premium tickets

But damn it that rock band better not charge one penny more than $98 for next to stage tickets, after I steal their album on Napster.

Is this a joke? I’m not an expert on platinum seats, nor do I know how they will play out with PJ. But I did watch it with Tools tour and here’s what saw:

shows went on sale
shows “sold out”
weeks later, miraculously, whole rows of BLUE dots appeared for double to triple the original price during the initial on sale. I actually called TM to ask how these whole rows became available. I was told it was cancellations or credit card declines 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fuckin joke answer. What a coincidence that a whole row of diff people canceled at the same time. What are the odds?

So, they created false demand by staggering the release of tickets and claiming initially it was a sell out, then double the price based on demand. Demand that they created. Does that sound right to you?

The seats come from holds. I've worked in the industry and can tell you there are various holds. For example when I worked in DC we had TM holds, venue holds, promoter holds, artist holds, Capitals holds, Wizards holds. ADA holds. So yeah, could have come from a variety of places. TM want to go on this tirade about stopping a secondary market, they are often times the ones fanning the flames.

PJNB · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

I am curious if people are going to be ok with their 10 club seats getting pushed back further and further for these platinum seats.

So they made a lifelong contract with fans in 1991 and created a permanent entitlement for every publicly sold seat?

Who said every sold seat? We are talking the best seats in the house that 10 Club has always tried to have access too.

I have a high number and actually like the chance at a close seat at a premium. I think people that have been with the club since the 90's would disagree with me though. Take a look at the MSG seat location from 2016 and you will get an idea what people really think.

Sarava · January 2020

JimmyV said:

This doesn't bother me at all. If it is more than just a typo it likely was the concession made to get us more fanclub tickets. Also...I have no problem with the band making money, nor do I have any problem with their outlooks evolving from what they were in 1995.

Doesn't bother me either. Hell if they're charging $1500 for good seats after the resales, and letting us buy similar seats for $125 or so up front, then how can we be anything but ok with it?

Bentleyspop · January 2020

PSUS2H said:

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Sports teams, Broadway, the Opera, etc. all charge premium prices for premium tickets

But damn it that rock band better not charge one penny more than $98 for next to stage tickets, after I steal their album on Napster.

Is this a joke? I’m not an expert on platinum seats, nor do I know how they will play out with PJ. But I did watch it with Tools tour and here’s what saw:

shows went on sale
shows “sold out”
weeks later, miraculously, whole rows of BLUE dots appeared for double to triple the original price during the initial on sale. I actually called TM to ask how these whole rows became available. I was told it was cancellations or credit card declines 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fuckin joke answer. What a coincidence that a whole row of diff people canceled at the same time. What are the odds?

So, they created false demand by staggering the release of tickets and claiming initially it was a sell out, then double the price based on demand. Demand that they created. Does that sound right to you?

The seats come from holds. I've worked in the industry and can tell you there are various holds. For example when I worked in DC we had TM holds, venue holds, promoter holds, artist holds, Capitals holds, Wizards holds. ADA holds. So yeah, could have come from a variety of places. TM want to go on this tirade about stopping a secondary market, they are often times the ones fanning the flames.

A lot of people on here think that there is just one hold...
For TM to scalp the tickets themselves

Clapper · January 2020

PSUS2H said:

The seats come from holds. I've worked in the industry and can tell you there are various holds. For example when I worked in DC we had TM holds, venue holds, promoter holds, artist holds, Capitals holds, Wizards holds. ADA holds. So yeah, could have come from a variety of places. TM want to go on this tirade about stopping a secondary market, they are often times the ones fanning the flames.

This. This was my point. The majority of event have a block for the following. Artist, promoter, venue, fan club, credit card pres sale a b and c, radio station pre sale a b and c. Pearl Jam keep more tickets for their fan club and away from other blocks that ANY other band.

Do you folks think there is no trade off?? If the Band has secured 10k seats out of a possible 20k seats from the venue there has to have been at least a small trade off. Platinum seat wont be 2k seeats. It will MAYBE be a few hundred.

PSUS2H · January 2020

Clapper said:

PSUS2H said:

The seats come from holds. I've worked in the industry and can tell you there are various holds. For example when I worked in DC we had TM holds, venue holds, promoter holds, artist holds, Capitals holds, Wizards holds. ADA holds. So yeah, could have come from a variety of places. TM want to go on this tirade about stopping a secondary market, they are often times the ones fanning the flames.

This. This was my point. The majority of event have a block for the following. Artist, promoter, venue, fan club, credit card pres sale a b and c, radio station pre sale a b and c. Pearl Jam keep more tickets for their fan club and away from other blocks that ANY other band.

Do you folks think there is no trade off?? If the Band has secured 10k seats out of a possible 20k seats from the venue there has to have been at least a small trade off. Platinum seat wont be 2k seeats. It will MAYBE be a few hundred.

The number of platinum offerings will ultimately be an insignificant number of seats compared to the capacity of the venue. 20-40 seats out of 20k. So its not like TM is keeping a ton of seats to resell, but what my secondary point was just an excuse to take a jab at TM, but it was not in line with my agreement with you so it came off as more of an ADD moment.

100 Pacer · January 2020

Someone, somewhere, received a terminal diagnosis today. Try to keep things in perspective.

Poncier · January 2020

austin.macrae said:

Is "Vitality" Foundation different from "Vitalogy" Foundation?

Yes. Its a subsidiary of The Human Fund

fgdanzi · January 2020

F Me In The Brain said:

PB11041 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

What does this mean? How does one get access to Official Platinum and what does it include?

you get a date with junbugtn24

Not sure my body can take that

Hilarious!

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan · January 2020

Call me naive, call me a dog but I don’t think the platinum tickets will push 10c seats further back necessarily

tbergs · January 2020

mace1229 said:

Kel Varnsen said:

PB11041 said:

If they are selling these for Vitalogy Foundation I guess I really don't care. But mostly I also don't care if some schmuck wants to pay like $1,500 to see Pearl Jam. Also, somebody paid $400 to see Ricky Gervais? I really think he is quite funny, but that is nuts.

I am sort of thinking the same thing. People get mad when scalpers buy up all the tickets and sell them for an inflated price that the market will pay. So now they change the way tickets are sold so that can't happen and sell a small number of tickets themselves at a price the market will pay and people still get upset. Not sure I see the problem other than people wanting the best tickets for the cheapest price.

As I have said before the only real way to eliminate scalping is to price tickets high enough so there is no profit to be made by scalpers or to play so many shows that you basically flood the market.

Or just do a real tour. They create a huge demand by playing a handful of shows every few years where most people have to travel to see them.
If they go back to plying 50 shows every other year the demand would go down.

No one has to travel. We all make choices based on what we can afford. My nearest spot to see them was Stl, 8 hour drive away. Considered and then decided against it. Just don't want to shell out that much money. Maybe they'll tour closer in the fall and maybe not.

BennyLaRue · January 2020

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Call me naive, call me a dog but I don’t think the platinum tickets will push 10c seats further back necessarily

I will not call you naive or a dog because those seats were always held back by TM, even if they didn't call them Platinum.

I will call you...Larry.

SomethingCreative · January 2020

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Call me naive, call me a dog but I don’t think the platinum tickets will push 10c seats further back necessarily

This. I think it’s more likely to impact the day of box office drop. There are some badass seats that get released the day of. Better than most 10c reserved I’ve had

nicknyr15 · January 2020

100 Pacer said:

Someone, somewhere, received a terminal diagnosis today. Try to keep things in perspective.

Yes exactly. Unless you’re dying, nothing should ever bother you.

BennyLaRue · January 2020

Ugh, what if both happened to you?

nicknyr15 · January 2020

BennyLaRue said:

Ugh, what if both happened to you?

Yes you’re right. It may sound insensitive, but I just don’t agree with a terminal diagnosis being the only thing that gives you the right to complain. That’s it. It’s just a grim comment on a thread about people venting their frustration about something, regardless of how mundane it may be

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Sports teams, Broadway, the Opera, etc. all charge premium prices for premium tickets

But damn it that rock band better not charge one penny more than $98 for next to stage tickets, after I steal their album on Napster.

Is this a joke? I’m not an expert on platinum seats, nor do I know how they will play out with PJ. But I did watch it with Tools tour and here’s what saw:

shows went on sale
shows “sold out”
weeks later, miraculously, whole rows of BLUE dots appeared for double to triple the original price during the initial on sale. I actually called TM to ask how these whole rows became available. I was told it was cancellations or credit card declines 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fuckin joke answer. What a coincidence that a whole row of diff people canceled at the same time. What are the odds?

So, they created false demand by staggering the release of tickets and claiming initially it was a sell out, then double the price based on demand. Demand that they created. Does that sound right to you?

No. The promoter holds back a limited selection of tickets and tries to price them at market value. That explanation sounds like someone at TM giving out bad info.

When Tool platinum for NY area went on sale, the average price was about $400, almost exactly the same as stub hub prices.

When alot of the platinums did not sell, the prices slowly dropped to about $275. Then day of show many of them sold for face value.

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

I am curious if people are going to be ok with their 10 club seats getting pushed back further and further for these platinum seats.

So they made a lifelong contract with fans in 1991 and created a permanent entitlement for every publicly sold seat?

Who said every sold seat? We are talking the best seats in the house that 10 Club has always tried to have access too.

I have a high number and actually like the chance at a close seat at a premium. I think people that have been with the club since the 90's would disagree with me though. Take a look at the MSG seat location from 2016 and you will get an idea what people really think.

I agree with your comments on platinum. I think seniority is important but to tell newer members you will never ever get a decent or close seat, that's a profound statement to a large category of fans .

To allow some seats into platinum, or gag, have a random seat category in the lotto for a supply similar to GA, then you'd see a revolt.

They did do something similar to platinum at Fenway with the Foundation tickets. Good cause, but the prices were $750. Too rich for my budget.

OFFICIAL TM PLATINUM ????? PJ...please ...say it ain't so.

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