2020 United States & Canada Tour Rumors

demetrios said:

Falling Down said:

mcgruff10 said:

Falling Down said:

jefft said:

ally12 said:

I just want to confirm the odds that I’m seeing for the Canadian shows.. as of this morning only Hamilton and TO dipped below. 99 .Everything else is at 99 still? Lottery is closing tomorrow.. how is this possible? 

Lots of seats.

Lots of seats, and many are afraid to travel in the terrible, terrible Canadian winter. 

I m gonnacdrive from New Jersey to Quebec City for the show. You think I am good?  @Falling Down

If you leave on the 21st (Saturday), you'll be good. Just need to give yourself some time to pause and rest (or sleep) if weather is bad. But remember, winter tires are mandatory on the Quebec roads in winter! 

For this Pearl Jam road trip will put on winter tires. I have all seasons on my car right now. They are doing fine at the moment here in the Atlantic.

kaw753 said:

BennyLaRue said:

chukdotcom said:

One concern I have with the fan-to-fan sale is that all the tickets will be at face value.  That means by definition, people will always buy the best seat available.  If you have a high member number and get bad seats, you may actually have trouble selling them.  If yours are never "the best" ticket available, they will never sell.  It's not like stubhub where you can lower your price to make the sale happen faster.

Might be true but these shows will almost certainly all sell out, so at some point even the worst seats will be the best available.

I have a stupid question. Can we resell them below face value if they are the worst seats at a non-sold out show? Likely just a hypothetical question, but I am bored.

ddeschler said:

 chicago would be getting 1 show later this year.

What about Northerly Island or Tinley Park amphitheater?  Would Theo's feelings be hurt?

pjl44 said:

chukdotcom said:

One concern I have with the fan-to-fan sale is that all the tickets will be at face value.  That means by definition, people will always buy the best seat available.  If you have a high member number and get bad seats, you may actually have trouble selling them.  If yours are never "the best" ticket available, they will never sell.  It's not like stubhub where you can lower your price to make the sale happen faster.

Very true and the best way to combat that is to only enter for shows you are certain to attend. I realize things come up, but this is more flexibility than in the past. Previous tours you would have to eat the tickets, end of story.

bbiggs said:

Is it safe to assume that there will be some better seats sold during the TM Verified Fan sale than what high 10C numbers will be getting for reserved seats? My answer is “yes.” Thoughts? 

FactoryMan93 said:

tschav said:

Lerxst1992 said:

.Poncier said:

drando said:

Saltzy23 said:

drando said:

It looks like the band wants to make sure all the Faithful get in and the scalpers can go kiss off.  My only fear is that TM starts skimming these seats to hand off to the scalpers so they can make more money.  Shady I know but I would not put it past them.  How would the 10C know?

The yin to the yang of having so many seats sold to the 10C and Verified TM lotto who are people not likely to sell their tickets is that the supply of "sellable" seats on the secondary market is gonna be extremely low.

Low supply + high demand is going to equate to crazy high prices.  Certainly for the MSG and Baltimore shows.

My guess is that the worst seats at MSG settle at like $200-$250 before fees.  Curious to see how close I am once all the tickets have been sold.

I just don't trust Ticketmaster,  they can say they ran the algo.  Gave out the tickets to the 10c people and really kept some for themselves to be sold on the secondary market.  I hope 10c can audit them after the fact and make sure they went to actual 10c members.  PJ is always one of the biggest tours so TM knows that and I dont trust them.  I put in for my shows and will hope I get them,  but the skeptic in me is not so sure that TM will be on the up and up.

There's definitely a concern that 10club may have just put the fox in charge of the hen house. But hopefully they got assurances TM would do everything on the up and up.

In addition to their overwhelming popularity, Limiting supply to the public drives up resale prices.

Not playing NA arena shows in 4 years drives up prices 

Playing shows disproportionate to where the fans are drives up prices. Balt and NY will see the brunt of that this time.

Not having a moderately  priced option such as platinum drives up prices 

Keep in mind TM is going to sell out nosebleeds in some venues at $100/each with this plan. They might not get platinum $$$ for the seats up front, but it comes at the cost of high prices in upper levels. And more people not knowing what they will get in advance means less likelihood of some venues having an empty upper level.

But the fan club reserves the best seats in the house for its members. The nosebleeds are not the best seats in the house. I am sure a lot of people will be upset if they, as members, are put in the nosebleeds while others who paid the same price are in the pit at the stage.

tdawe said:

chukdotcom said:

pjl44 said:

chukdotcom said:

One concern I have with the fan-to-fan sale is that all the tickets will be at face value.  That means by definition, people will always buy the best seat available.  If you have a high member number and get bad seats, you may actually have trouble selling them.  If yours are never "the best" ticket available, they will never sell.  It's not like stubhub where you can lower your price to make the sale happen faster.

Very true and the best way to combat that is to only enter for shows you are certain to attend. I realize things come up, but this is more flexibility than in the past. Previous tours you would have to eat the tickets, end of story.

Oh, I plan to attend anything I put in for.  But I also plan to try to upgrade...  I prefer GA, but would take any seat to guarantee getting in the building.  But my guess is there will be others that upgrade.  Someone with a low number may have decent reserved seats, but finds a hookup with GA tix.  Now they put their tix on fan to fan and I buy those.  Now I have 2 pairs and need to unload my nosebleeds.  Yes, first world problems.

It depends on how bloody your nose would be. At the moment I'm not reading too much into their note that some fan club tix will be further back - this was true for the ballpark shows where they got a larger allotment of 10C tickets, and my suspicion is that they got a lot of nasty feedback from people who were disappointed with their seats (I know I know, hard to believe anyone in this club would complain) and are just trying to head that off. Clearly they're not putting anyone behind the stage (I was behind the stage for MSG 2 2016 and I kind of liked those seats actually, they were better than opposite corners for sure). MSG doesn't have a 300 level so it makes it look like the top of the arena is in play, but if you look at the other maps (eg Baltimore) it looks like they're not putting anyone up in the rafters. 

Given what the secondary market will look like for these shows, if you're a 10C member and looking for tickets you'll be better off on the exchanges than on Stubhub. But your point is well taken - since the exchange is fan club only, if they're right that most members will get tickets it might be the case that 10C supply actually does exceed 10C demand and people with relatively "bad" seats get stuck.

FactoryMan93 said:

pjl44 said:

FactoryMan93 said:

tschav said:

Lerxst1992 said:

.Poncier said:

drando said:

Saltzy23 said:

drando said:

It looks like the band wants to make sure all the Faithful get in and the scalpers can go kiss off.  My only fear is that TM starts skimming these seats to hand off to the scalpers so they can make more money.  Shady I know but I would not put it past them.  How would the 10C know?

The yin to the yang of having so many seats sold to the 10C and Verified TM lotto who are people not likely to sell their tickets is that the supply of "sellable" seats on the secondary market is gonna be extremely low.

Low supply + high demand is going to equate to crazy high prices.  Certainly for the MSG and Baltimore shows.

My guess is that the worst seats at MSG settle at like $200-$250 before fees.  Curious to see how close I am once all the tickets have been sold.

I just don't trust Ticketmaster,  they can say they ran the algo.  Gave out the tickets to the 10c people and really kept some for themselves to be sold on the secondary market.  I hope 10c can audit them after the fact and make sure they went to actual 10c members.  PJ is always one of the biggest tours so TM knows that and I dont trust them.  I put in for my shows and will hope I get them,  but the skeptic in me is not so sure that TM will be on the up and up.

There's definitely a concern that 10club may have just put the fox in charge of the hen house. But hopefully they got assurances TM would do everything on the up and up.

In addition to their overwhelming popularity, Limiting supply to the public drives up resale prices.

Not playing NA arena shows in 4 years drives up prices 

Playing shows disproportionate to where the fans are drives up prices. Balt and NY will see the brunt of that this time.

Not having a moderately  priced option such as platinum drives up prices 

Keep in mind TM is going to sell out nosebleeds in some venues at $100/each with this plan. They might not get platinum $$$ for the seats up front, but it comes at the cost of high prices in upper levels. And more people not knowing what they will get in advance means less likelihood of some venues having an empty upper level.

But the fan club reserves the best seats in the house for its members. The nosebleeds are not the best seats in the house. I am sure a lot of people will be upset if they, as members, are put in the nosebleeds while others who paid the same price are in the pit at the stage.

That's exactly what's going to happen

Then why are the prices the same?

FactoryMan93 said:

pjl44 said:

FactoryMan93 said:

tschav said:

Lerxst1992 said:

.Poncier said:

drando said:

Saltzy23 said:

drando said:

It looks like the band wants to make sure all the Faithful get in and the scalpers can go kiss off.  My only fear is that TM starts skimming these seats to hand off to the scalpers so they can make more money.  Shady I know but I would not put it past them.  How would the 10C know?

The yin to the yang of having so many seats sold to the 10C and Verified TM lotto who are people not likely to sell their tickets is that the supply of "sellable" seats on the secondary market is gonna be extremely low.

Low supply + high demand is going to equate to crazy high prices.  Certainly for the MSG and Baltimore shows.

My guess is that the worst seats at MSG settle at like $200-$250 before fees.  Curious to see how close I am once all the tickets have been sold.

I just don't trust Ticketmaster,  they can say they ran the algo.  Gave out the tickets to the 10c people and really kept some for themselves to be sold on the secondary market.  I hope 10c can audit them after the fact and make sure they went to actual 10c members.  PJ is always one of the biggest tours so TM knows that and I dont trust them.  I put in for my shows and will hope I get them,  but the skeptic in me is not so sure that TM will be on the up and up.

There's definitely a concern that 10club may have just put the fox in charge of the hen house. But hopefully they got assurances TM would do everything on the up and up.

In addition to their overwhelming popularity, Limiting supply to the public drives up resale prices.

Not playing NA arena shows in 4 years drives up prices 

Playing shows disproportionate to where the fans are drives up prices. Balt and NY will see the brunt of that this time.

Not having a moderately  priced option such as platinum drives up prices 

Keep in mind TM is going to sell out nosebleeds in some venues at $100/each with this plan. They might not get platinum $$$ for the seats up front, but it comes at the cost of high prices in upper levels. And more people not knowing what they will get in advance means less likelihood of some venues having an empty upper level.

But the fan club reserves the best seats in the house for its members. The nosebleeds are not the best seats in the house. I am sure a lot of people will be upset if they, as members, are put in the nosebleeds while others who paid the same price are in the pit at the stage.

That's exactly what's going to happen

Then why are the prices the same?

tdawe said:

pjl44 said:

tdawe said:

chukdotcom said:

pjl44 said:

chukdotcom said:

One concern I have with the fan-to-fan sale is that all the tickets will be at face value.  That means by definition, people will always buy the best seat available.  If you have a high member number and get bad seats, you may actually have trouble selling them.  If yours are never "the best" ticket available, they will never sell.  It's not like stubhub where you can lower your price to make the sale happen faster.

Very true and the best way to combat that is to only enter for shows you are certain to attend. I realize things come up, but this is more flexibility than in the past. Previous tours you would have to eat the tickets, end of story.

Oh, I plan to attend anything I put in for.  But I also plan to try to upgrade...  I prefer GA, but would take any seat to guarantee getting in the building.  But my guess is there will be others that upgrade.  Someone with a low number may have decent reserved seats, but finds a hookup with GA tix.  Now they put their tix on fan to fan and I buy those.  Now I have 2 pairs and need to unload my nosebleeds.  Yes, first world problems.

It depends on how bloody your nose would be. At the moment I'm not reading too much into their note that some fan club tix will be further back - this was true for the ballpark shows where they got a larger allotment of 10C tickets, and my suspicion is that they got a lot of nasty feedback from people who were disappointed with their seats (I know I know, hard to believe anyone in this club would complain) and are just trying to head that off. Clearly they're not putting anyone behind the stage (I was behind the stage for MSG 2 2016 and I kind of liked those seats actually, they were better than opposite corners for sure). MSG doesn't have a 300 level so it makes it look like the top of the arena is in play, but if you look at the other maps (eg Baltimore) it looks like they're not putting anyone up in the rafters. 

Given what the secondary market will look like for these shows, if you're a 10C member and looking for tickets you'll be better off on the exchanges than on Stubhub. But your point is well taken - since the exchange is fan club only, if they're right that most members will get tickets it might be the case that 10C supply actually does exceed 10C demand and people with relatively "bad" seats get stuck.

If I had a very high 10C number, I would only put in for GA. If I missed, I would crack my knuckles and work the exchange.

I would look at it this way - in the worst case scenario, where you win reserved seats that you don't like, buy better seats on the exchange and end up having to eat the "bad" pair, you'd end up out about $400 for the two "good" seats you're going to use. If we're talking about MSG or another high demand show, that is better than you will do on Stubhub for the worst seats in the house. If you want to go, put in for best available and work it out later.