America's Gun Violence
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evolution doesn't always have positive connotations.tempo_n_groove said:
cmon really?HughFreakingDillon said:
consider what evolving?tempo_n_groove said:
No way we can consider this evolving...HughFreakingDillon said:
culture. mental health. society as a whole. laws need to evolve as society does.mcgruff10 said:
I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed? In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic. My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2! However no mass shootings, none of that. Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes. So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?tempo_n_groove said:
It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.OnWis97 said:I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns. I wish the world did not have them. But that isn't ever going to be the case.
We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides. We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.
The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American. Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence. Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.
Why here? Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better. My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones. Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.
Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?" Are we more paranoid? Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?
It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...
I personally brought up the same questions you did. Why here? Why us? What is going on in our society that these things happen?
The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.
The world we are living in.
Well that is just me though, get off my lawn.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I was asking you if the capability to fire off 154 rounds in 5 minutes, while toting ten 30 round magazines was acceptable. Is that what someone who needs/wants to defend themselves needs to have possession of? In my thought process, if you can't neutralize your threat with 6 rounds, popping in another magazine so you have 6 more shots, you're not proficient and don't take your "responsibility" seriously. Maybe McGruff can let us know from his NRA good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun listing the average number of rounds popped off per "defense of oneself?" And I knew it was only a matter of time before you broke out the worn out, old, pathetic slippery slope argument. I have not once argued for the banning or elimination of firearms, other than weapons of war. However, I do want "responsible" gun owners to be responsible, fully held accountable when they're not and for there to be reasonable restrictions on ability, capability and competence, from the type and capability of the firearm to the parameters from which one may buy/sell, own and possess a firearm.tempo_n_groove said:
This is why you won't be happy too. You will just go on to the next thing asking if that's acceptable but then what about this?Halifax2TheMax said:
Thanks for pretending to know what I’m getting at. All I asked was if it was acceptable to you.tempo_n_groove said:
Well you make an argument about one thing then seeing that the weapon you want to constrict really isn't the only one that can do it so then you'll go after the next one.Halifax2TheMax said:
Acceptable?tempo_n_groove said:
You can do this with a handgun.Halifax2TheMax said:154 rounds in 5 minutes. Into first and second graders. One round every two seconds, on average. 10 magazines holding 30 rounds each. Acceptable? Modifications can make it quicker, correct?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting-connecticut-idUSBRE92R0EM20130328
This is why people don't want new restrictions because it will never stop. You won't be happy with one thing and will keep piling up new restrictions.
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Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Away from the "Wild West" previous restrictive to the much less restrictive. The 10 year assault weapon ban expired and wasn't renewed. Conceal rights expanded, including an effort to make CC from one state reciprocal in another. Keep those bullshit laws/practices out of my state, STATES RIGHTS! are only relevant when its a right wing talking point to gin up the base.tempo_n_groove said:
Sorry, let me be more clear.dankind said:
Since 1791?tempo_n_groove said:
Again... They have made numerous changes to 2A.tbergs said:
Oh, no mistake about it that the world has evolved, but yet here in America we still want it to be 1776. No change to 2A! Right to bear arms, just not that militia part...tempo_n_groove said:
cmon really?HughFreakingDillon said:
consider what evolving?tempo_n_groove said:
No way we can consider this evolving...HughFreakingDillon said:
culture. mental health. society as a whole. laws need to evolve as society does.mcgruff10 said:
I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed? In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic. My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2! However no mass shootings, none of that. Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes. So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?tempo_n_groove said:
It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.OnWis97 said:I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns. I wish the world did not have them. But that isn't ever going to be the case.
We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides. We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.
The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American. Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence. Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.
Why here? Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better. My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones. Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.
Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?" Are we more paranoid? Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?
It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...
I personally brought up the same questions you did. Why here? Why us? What is going on in our society that these things happen?
The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.
The world we are living in.
Well that is just me though, get off my lawn.
Nope.
There have been different interpretations of it in Supreme Court cases (and lower court cases) and legislation introduced (or not) because of those different interpretations, but the language of the second amendment of the US Constitution has not changed since 1791.
There have been numerous changes to gun laws over the years.
2A hasn't changed but you can't own machine guns. Brady bill. 10 year Weapons ban. States have done even more along the lines of specific weapons and conceal rights. This is a few I can think of. I can google more.
So 2A hasn't been changed but the laws in regards to it have tremendously.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/03/02/hundreds-of-new-state-gun-laws-most-expand-access
09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Why are you okay with the capability to kill 26 people in 5 minutes by firing off 154 rounds while carrying 300 for any yokel who wants to have it?mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
You should be able to defend yourself successfully with 6 rounds.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Why do you need 30? Whats the average number of shots fired in self defense? Whats your guess, if your NRA publication doesn't tally them for you.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I don’t need 30. Legally I can only posses 10.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Whats the average number of shots fired in self defense? Whats your guess, if your NRA publication doesn't tally them for you.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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What if 5 people break in to your home? Or 4 people rob you on the street? You may have to be pretty accurate for 6 bullets to be enough.Halifax2TheMax said:
You should be able to defend yourself successfully with 6 rounds.mcgruff10 said:
Don’t answer a question with a question. Why does six rounds appease you?Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you need 30? Oh I remember, its a pain in the ass to reload, particularly at the range. Another matter of "convenience."mcgruff10 said:Why does the magic number of six rounds appease you?
I'm not arguing against your point, just countering with boogeyman possibilities. Personally, I'd just give them my stuff because stuff isn't worth it.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.
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What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Why are you answering a question with a question?mcgruff10 said:
What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Because I genuinely have no clue what you are asking.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why are you answering a question with a question?mcgruff10 said:
What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.
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2 for 1 red wines with icemcgruff10 said:
What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Lol I ll meet you there! Tell me where.Halifax2TheMax said:
2 for 1 red wines with icemcgruff10 said:
What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
True story, I put 2 ice cubes in a sweet white on NYE because it wasn't chilled and I didn't want to wait. Smooth as silkmcgruff10 said:
Lol I ll meet you there! Tell me where.Halifax2TheMax said:
2 for 1 red wines with icemcgruff10 said:
What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.
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I love it! You see a dude drinking wine with ice cubes at a pj show you ll know it s me. Make sure to come say hi.tbergs said:
True story, I put 2 ice cubes in a sweet white on NYE because it wasn't chilled and I didn't want to wait. Smooth as silkmcgruff10 said:
Lol I ll meet you there! Tell me where.Halifax2TheMax said:
2 for 1 red wines with icemcgruff10 said:
What da heck are you talking about in your first paragraph? Have you been at happy hour too long?Halifax2TheMax said:
Semi-auto, one in the chamber and five in the clip. Not enough? Too much trouble pressing those bullets into the clip? Or, you can't slow down, focus, aim accordingly and squeeze? Just blam, blam, blam, click, click, click? If thats the case, as a "responsible" gun owner, you don't take your responsibility seriously. But here's some law for you from the previous link:mcgruff10 said:six Rounds, a revolver. Got ya. No semi autos? Am I right?
New laws in at least five states — Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota and West Virginia — allow gun owners to carry loaded firearms without a permit or training. So-called permitless carry laws now are in effect in more than 10 states.
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