America's Gun Violence

HesCalledDyer said:

In all the training talk a couple pages back, did anyone mention a mental/physical health exam?  It's not just about being properly trained and refresher courses on the use, care, and storage of guns.  Some people just don't have the mental or physical capacity to own or handle a weapon.  Let's start there before we go signing everyone up for shootin' classes.

OnWis97 said:

I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns.  I wish the world did not have them.  But that isn't ever going to be the case.

We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides.  We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.  

The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American.  Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence.  Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.

Why here?  Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better.  My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones.  Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.

Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?"  Are we more paranoid?  Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?

It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...

HughFreakingDillon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

In all the training talk a couple pages back, did anyone mention a mental/physical health exam?  It's not just about being properly trained and refresher courses on the use, care, and storage of guns.  Some people just don't have the mental or physical capacity to own or handle a weapon.  Let's start there before we go signing everyone up for shootin' classes.

unfortunately 2A mentions nothing about being "unfit".  

HesCalledDyer said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

In all the training talk a couple pages back, did anyone mention a mental/physical health exam?  It's not just about being properly trained and refresher courses on the use, care, and storage of guns.  Some people just don't have the mental or physical capacity to own or handle a weapon.  Let's start there before we go signing everyone up for shootin' classes.

unfortunately 2A mentions nothing about being "unfit".  

This is true.  But also true is that 2A is totally antiquated and needs a hard revision.

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

OnWis97 said:

I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns.  I wish the world did not have them.  But that isn't ever going to be the case.

We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides.  We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.  

The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American.  Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence.  Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.

Why here?  Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better.  My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones.  Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.

Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?"  Are we more paranoid?  Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?

It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...

It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.

I personally brought up the same questions you did.  Why here?  Why us?  What is going on in our society that these things happen?

The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.

I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed?  In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic.  My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2!  However no mass shootings, none of that.  Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes.  So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?

Glorification! 

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

OnWis97 said:

I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns.  I wish the world did not have them.  But that isn't ever going to be the case.

We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides.  We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.  

The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American.  Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence.  Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.

Why here?  Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better.  My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones.  Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.

Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?"  Are we more paranoid?  Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?

It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...

It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.

I personally brought up the same questions you did.  Why here?  Why us?  What is going on in our society that these things happen?

The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.

I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed?  In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic.  My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2!  However no mass shootings, none of that.  Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes.  So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

OnWis97 said:

I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns.  I wish the world did not have them.  But that isn't ever going to be the case.

We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides.  We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.  

The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American.  Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence.  Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.

Why here?  Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better.  My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones.  Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.

Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?"  Are we more paranoid?  Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?

It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...

It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.

I personally brought up the same questions you did.  Why here?  Why us?  What is going on in our society that these things happen?

The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.

I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed?  In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic.  My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2!  However no mass shootings, none of that.  Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes.  So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?

culture. mental health. society as a whole. laws need to evolve as society does. 

No way we can consider this evolving...

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

OnWis97 said:

I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns.  I wish the world did not have them.  But that isn't ever going to be the case.

We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides.  We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.  

The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American.  Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence.  Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.

Why here?  Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better.  My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones.  Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.

Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?"  Are we more paranoid?  Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?

It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...

It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.

I personally brought up the same questions you did.  Why here?  Why us?  What is going on in our society that these things happen?

The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.

I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed?  In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic.  My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2!  However no mass shootings, none of that.  Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes.  So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?

culture. mental health. society as a whole. laws need to evolve as society does. 

No way we can consider this evolving...

consider what evolving?

cmon really?

The world we are living in.

Well that is just me though, get off my lawn.

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

OnWis97 said:

I admit being very conflicted on guns and gun control. I don't like guns.  I wish the world did not have them.  But that isn't ever going to be the case.

We have states with strict rules, lax rules, etc. and data used from those to back both sides.  We have anecdotes that can be used to back any argument.  

The one thing that is staring us in the face (and for which we don't know the "why?") is that the problem is uniquely American.  Some countries that don't have a lot of guns don't have our level of gun violence.  Some countries where people have a lot of guns (Australia? I'm not sure) still don't have gun violence.

Why here?  Why is the United States different? Just like there are places that can handle their alcohol better, there seem to be places that can handle their guns better.  My fear is it's the "gun culture" (I posted a story about a nurse killed by New Year's Eve celebratory gun fire...that's a messed-up part of the culture and any reasonable person should think so); a culture that's as ensconced in the fabric of America as television, fast food, and cell phones.  Something that can not, an any way, be legislated away.

Do people in other places see guns as more utilitarian while Americans see them as "toys" or "companions?"  Are we more paranoid?  Is our society in fact more dangerous (or perceived as such), making our trigger-fingers more sensitive?

It leads me to the idea that conflicts with my historic philosophy: "guns are not the problem." However, "America is the problem." American exceptionalism; not always a good thing...

It's been brought up before that the most dangerous thing in the world is a white american male.

I personally brought up the same questions you did.  Why here?  Why us?  What is going on in our society that these things happen?

The federal government gave funding out for people to try and figure this out so we can wait and see what the study brings.

I have brought up the question numerous times: what exactly has changed?  In the 1950's/60's you could walk into a hardware with no back ground check and literally buy a surplus weapon that was fully automatic.  My uncle bought a god damn bazooka from ww2!  However no mass shootings, none of that.  Kids brought shotguns to school just to go deer hunting after school or take shooting classes.  So what in society has changed that led us to the problem we have today?

culture. mental health. society as a whole. laws need to evolve as society does. 

No way we can consider this evolving...

consider what evolving?

cmon really?

The world we are living in.

Well that is just me though, get off my lawn.

Oh, no mistake about it that the world has evolved, but yet here in America we still want it to be 1776. No change to 2A! Right to bear arms, just not that militia part...

Again... They have made numerous changes to 2A.