Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,366
    pjl44 said:
    Getting interesting:




    Separation of powers, lol
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,301
    mrussel1 said:
    Yes, I don't know the line exactly, but he's saying that now we're open to negotiate and maybe this will pave the path to peace.  Brain dead...

    article from earlier:  https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/477316-trump-tells-senate-gop-ally-that-he-sees-opportunity-for-new-talks
    Hooooooo boy. I don't see how that works. I'm more of a mind to agree with Rand, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,412
    yeah lee was pretty mad. he was railing on the administration enough that fox news cut away from him mid sentence.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fox News cut away from Republican Sen. Mike Lee as he excoriated the Trump admin’s Soleimani briefing as “probably the worst briefing at least on a military issue I’ve seen.” <a href="https://t.co/736Qtd6bWZ">pic.twitter.com/736Qtd6bWZ</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) <a href="">January 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,412
    was that a gohmert walking though at the :37 mark??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,412
    this is actually pretty amazing. lee is really legit mad. Rand standing next to him seeming to agree.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GOP Sen. Mike Lee goes off on the Trump briefing: &quot;They had to leave after 75 minutes, while they’re in the process of telling us that we need to be good little boys and girls and run along and not debate this in public. I find that absolutely insane. I think it’s unacceptable.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/rs6LOimfAm">pic.twitter.com/rs6LOimfAm</a></p>&mdash; Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) <a href="">January 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,089
    could this lead to another article of impeachment? for the record, I'M NOT HOPING, JUST ASKING. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,301
    could this lead to another article of impeachment? for the record, I'M NOT HOPING, JUST ASKING. 
    If getting jazzed up about war wasn't a bipartisan reflex, I'd be more inclined to think so. Congress has been pretty lax about deferring to the President on this stuff for a while now, but who knows. If you wanna dream a little, here's Justin Amash's take on the constitutionality of it:


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    Someone forgot to tell Iran that the de- escalation is happening. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,403
    mrussel1 said:
    Someone forgot to tell Iran that the de- escalation is happening. 
    what, the two rockets in the green zone?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,366
    could this lead to another article of impeachment? for the record, I'M NOT HOPING, JUST ASKING. 

    Impeachment lol 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,203
     


    Robert Reich
    2 hrs · 
    Trump lies like most people breathe, and today was no exception. His speech this morning addressing Iran’s missile attacks on two American army bases in Iraq was riddled with misleading statements, inflammatory rhetoric, and outright lies. Among the most outrageous of Trump’s tall tales:

    — He claimed the Iranian people chanted “Death to America” on the day the nuclear deal was signed. In reality, thousands of Iranians took to the streets to celebrate the signing of the nuclear deal, elated that a diplomatic channel between Iran and the United States had finally been opened after years of tensions. Public dancing, while normally banned, was even permitted as Iran’s citizens banded together in a rare display of national unity.

    — He repeated a wild claim that the U.S. gave Iran "$150 billion, not to mention $1.8 billion in cash" after signing the deal. This is patently untrue: after the deal was signed, Iran regained access to $150 billion of its own assets, which had been frozen abroad. The $1.8 billion in cash was from a 1970s-era deal in which Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that never ended up getting delivered due to the revolution, which disintegrated diplomatic relations. After the deal was signed in 2015, the U.S. agreed to pay Iran the original $400 million in addition to $1.3 billion in interest.

    — He again claimed that he had destroyed "100 percent of ISIS and its territorial caliphate". While its territorial caliphate is no longer, ISIS is very much alive and well. In fact, ISIS is poised on the edge of resurgence thanks to Trump’s brash foreign policy decisions, including his abandonment of our Kurdish allies in Syria last October and last week’s strike against General Soleimani.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    ^But it was a good speech nonetheless.  

    The whole basis of the speech was a lie, from the recent justification to the JCPOA.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Not spin, not different interpretation or relevancy of certain facts, straight up lies.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    mickeyrat said:
    what, the two rockets in the green zone?
    Yes.  Certainly it was probably Iranian backed militia, but still...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    ^But it was a good speech nonetheless.  

    The whole basis of the speech was a lie, from the recent justification to the JCPOA.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Not spin, not different interpretation or relevancy of certain facts, straight up lies.  
    But it made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,201
    Hi! said:

    where in the world is polaris x?
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,279
    Jason P said:
    where in the world is polaris x?
    Was actually wondering the same thing yesterday.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,998
    tbergs said:
    The best worst could ever be ;)
    Just saw this, it definitely made me laugh. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,403
    I have this feeling The Bureaucrat. will be more ruthless in his new position.
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  • And I don’t know what to be embarrassed about, too.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,366
    dignin said:
    But it made me feel all warm and fuzzy.

    Praise The Lord we have The Donald to protect us.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,412
    Jason P said:
    where in the world is polaris x?
    good question.

    also, where are our resident trumpers to defend his actions? interesting that the few of them have all been absent during the recent developments.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    And I don’t know what to be embarrassed about, too.
    really?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,403
    really?
    umm, you should come around more often.  his stance on trump is well documented.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,366

    The Trump Doctrine—Hem, Haw, Overreact Wildly, Then Clean Up Your Own Mess

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591

    The Trump Doctrine—Hem, Haw, Overreact Wildly, Then Clean Up Your Own Mess

    Make things exactly as they were.. because that was the right option,  in literally every single situation where he does
  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited January 2020
    I haven’t read this entire thread because I’ve grown weary of Trump.  So I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the Ukrainian Commercial Airline flight that went down 4 min. after take off from Tehran today.  That flight contained nearly 70 Canadians who are no longer with us, approximately 30 of which are from Edmonton. 
    The Iranians are not going to release the black box to Boeing or the US so that tells you everything you need to know.
    Most of the Canadians were university students, physicians, professors, etc. Some of our youngest and brightest. 
    Trump’s impulsive nature (my own diplomacy) has now resulted in the death of completely innocent civilians.  All the divisiveness, name-calling, hatred toward the media, espousing of nonsensical  bitterness towards Obama, Clinton and any Democrat. 
    To Trump supporters, I want to ask you... what if one of your close friends or family was on that flight... what would you say then.  Trump is just not a leader and this mess demonstrates it. 

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,412
    I haven’t read this entire thread because I’ve grown weary of Trump.  So I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the Ukrainian Commercial Airline flight that went down 4 min. after take off from Tehran today.  That flight contained nearly 70 Canadians who are no longer with us, approximately 30 of which are from Edmonton. 
    The Iranians are not going to release the black box to Boeing or the US so that tells you everything you need to know.
    Most of the Canadians were university students, physicians, professors, etc. Some of our youngest and brightest. 
    Trump’s impulsive nature (my own diplomacy) has now resulted in the death of completely innocent civilians.  All the divisiveness, name-calling, hatred toward the media, espousing of nonsensical  bitterness towards Obama, Clinton and any Democrat. 
    To Trump supporters, I want to ask you... what if one of your close friends or family was on that flight... what would you say then.  Trump is just not a leader and this mess demonstrates it. 

    i have not been following that aspect. are they speculating that iran shot the plane down?

    I know that the black boxes are not going to be released to boeing because Iran does not trust the americans with the black box. trump would have a field day distorting what is actually heard on the black box. i thought I had seen on twitter that they were going to be released to your govenment officials??

    i read that witnesses reported that the plane was in flames suggesting an engine fire or something. 

    again i have not been following this as closely as i should. Sorry for the loss of your countrymen and women.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited January 2020
    i have not been following that aspect. are they speculating that iran shot the plane down?

    I know that the black boxes are not going to be released to boeing because Iran does not trust the americans with the black box. trump would have a field day distorting what is actually heard on the black box. i thought I had seen on twitter that they were going to be released to your govenment officials??

    i read that witnesses reported that the plane was in flames suggesting an engine fire or something. 

    again i have not been following this as closely as i should. Sorry for the loss of your countrymen and women.
    Its ok, there is a lot of events happening. 
    Of course they are going to say it isn’t linked,  but are you going to believe the Iranians OR Trump and the Republicans? 
    It’s pretty unlikely this is coincidental is all I am saying. 
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