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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,394
     


    Robert Reich
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    Trump lies like most people breathe, and today was no exception. His speech this morning addressing Iran’s missile attacks on two American army bases in Iraq was riddled with misleading statements, inflammatory rhetoric, and outright lies. Among the most outrageous of Trump’s tall tales:

    — He claimed the Iranian people chanted “Death to America” on the day the nuclear deal was signed. In reality, thousands of Iranians took to the streets to celebrate the signing of the nuclear deal, elated that a diplomatic channel between Iran and the United States had finally been opened after years of tensions. Public dancing, while normally banned, was even permitted as Iran’s citizens banded together in a rare display of national unity.

    — He repeated a wild claim that the U.S. gave Iran "$150 billion, not to mention $1.8 billion in cash" after signing the deal. This is patently untrue: after the deal was signed, Iran regained access to $150 billion of its own assets, which had been frozen abroad. The $1.8 billion in cash was from a 1970s-era deal in which Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that never ended up getting delivered due to the revolution, which disintegrated diplomatic relations. After the deal was signed in 2015, the U.S. agreed to pay Iran the original $400 million in addition to $1.3 billion in interest.

    — He again claimed that he had destroyed "100 percent of ISIS and its territorial caliphate". While its territorial caliphate is no longer, ISIS is very much alive and well. In fact, ISIS is poised on the edge of resurgence thanks to Trump’s brash foreign policy decisions, including his abandonment of our Kurdish allies in Syria last October and last week’s strike against General Soleimani.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ^But it was a good speech nonetheless.  

    The whole basis of the speech was a lie, from the recent justification to the JCPOA.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Not spin, not different interpretation or relevancy of certain facts, straight up lies.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Someone forgot to tell Iran that the de- escalation is happening. 
    what, the two rockets in the green zone?
    Yes.  Certainly it was probably Iranian backed militia, but still...
  • Hi!
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    ^But it was a good speech nonetheless.  

    The whole basis of the speech was a lie, from the recent justification to the JCPOA.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Not spin, not different interpretation or relevancy of certain facts, straight up lies.  
    But it made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    Hi! said:

    where in the world is polaris x?
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    Jason P said:
    Hi! said:

    where in the world is polaris x?
    Was actually wondering the same thing yesterday.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    tbergs said:
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    pjl44 said:
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    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    "Iran appears to be standing down". LOL. what a load of horseshit. Iran called Trump's bluff. But if his constant need to be seen as the stronger force deescalates the situation, so be it. 
    If you were giving that speech, you’d say the same thing.  I thought it was a brilliantly worded portion of that to be honest. 
    I didn't see the speech. I suppose I should have watched it prior to commenting. out of context it just sounded like saving face to me. 
    It was actually pretty good. As usual trump does something positive and it is nothing but crickets in here.  Instead of talking about the speech we talk about whether or not he wears a diaper.  

    Eight people commented on the speech. That’s not crickets. Not everyone agrees with you that it was something positive. 
    So what were the negatives? 
    This is like asking someone to tell you what was so negative about the prepared speech the guy who just raped your mom gave at his sentencing. "All is well. Your mom is backing down. If Obama hadn't given her that phone she would have never called the police..."
    Normal, healthy analogy 
    No not normal at all, and neither is anything Trump does or says. Go ahead, if you're married, next time you do something that makes your spouse mad, read a prepared statement from a friend with no investment in the statement. I'm sure it will go well.
    I think being the President and addressing a world-wide TV/Internet audience of millions is a little different than talking your way out of your spouse being mad at you. Of course he's going to read a prepared statement in a situation like this. I hate to stick up for Trump because he's so vile and awful. But some of you guys scrape the bottom of the barrel with your complaints about him. And pjl44 is right, that analogy was pretty strange. But that's what Trump does to some people. A simple speech about the situation with Iran has you equating it to "the prepared speech the guy who just raped your mom gave at his sentencing." Yikes. 
    I've been told before that I take things a bit extreme. Oh well, makes it clear how I feel about it. Trump continues to rape this nation and the people of other countries with his actions, so I think it's apropos.
    Well fair enough. As long as you're not one of these unhinged Trump-haters. I worry for them almost as much I worry for the unhinged Trump-lovers. 
    Not unhinged at all. My wife is good at reminding me my analogies are a little much. I'm a bit dark like that.
    Do your analogies get better or worse after a few ipa s?

    The best worst could ever be ;)
    Just saw this, it definitely made me laugh. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,317
    I have this feeling The Bureaucrat. will be more ruthless in his new position.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And I don’t know what to be embarrassed about, too.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,813
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ^But it was a good speech nonetheless.  

    The whole basis of the speech was a lie, from the recent justification to the JCPOA.  Lies, lies and more lies.  Not spin, not different interpretation or relevancy of certain facts, straight up lies.  
    But it made me feel all warm and fuzzy.

    Praise The Lord we have The Donald to protect us.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,012
    Jason P said:
    Hi! said:

    where in the world is polaris x?
    good question.

    also, where are our resident trumpers to defend his actions? interesting that the few of them have all been absent during the recent developments.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And I don’t know what to be embarrassed about, too.
    really?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,317
    rustneversleeps said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    And I don’t know what to be embarrassed about, too.
    really?
    umm, you should come around more often.  his stance on trump is well documented.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    It's too stupid to be true. 

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/08/trump-obama-iran-war-096359
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,813

    The Trump Doctrine—Hem, Haw, Overreact Wildly, Then Clean Up Your Own Mess

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Lerxst1992 said:

    The Trump Doctrine—Hem, Haw, Overreact Wildly, Then Clean Up Your Own Mess

    Make things exactly as they were.. because that was the right option,  in literally every single situation where he does
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited January 2020
    I haven’t read this entire thread because I’ve grown weary of Trump.  So I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the Ukrainian Commercial Airline flight that went down 4 min. after take off from Tehran today.  That flight contained nearly 70 Canadians who are no longer with us, approximately 30 of which are from Edmonton. 
    The Iranians are not going to release the black box to Boeing or the US so that tells you everything you need to know.
    Most of the Canadians were university students, physicians, professors, etc. Some of our youngest and brightest. 
    Trump’s impulsive nature (my own diplomacy) has now resulted in the death of completely innocent civilians.  All the divisiveness, name-calling, hatred toward the media, espousing of nonsensical  bitterness towards Obama, Clinton and any Democrat. 
    To Trump supporters, I want to ask you... what if one of your close friends or family was on that flight... what would you say then.  Trump is just not a leader and this mess demonstrates it. 

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,012
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    I haven’t read this entire thread because I’ve grown weary of Trump.  So I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the Ukrainian Commercial Airline flight that went down 4 min. after take off from Tehran today.  That flight contained nearly 70 Canadians who are no longer with us, approximately 30 of which are from Edmonton. 
    The Iranians are not going to release the black box to Boeing or the US so that tells you everything you need to know.
    Most of the Canadians were university students, physicians, professors, etc. Some of our youngest and brightest. 
    Trump’s impulsive nature (my own diplomacy) has now resulted in the death of completely innocent civilians.  All the divisiveness, name-calling, hatred toward the media, espousing of nonsensical  bitterness towards Obama, Clinton and any Democrat. 
    To Trump supporters, I want to ask you... what if one of your close friends or family was on that flight... what would you say then.  Trump is just not a leader and this mess demonstrates it. 

    i have not been following that aspect. are they speculating that iran shot the plane down?

    I know that the black boxes are not going to be released to boeing because Iran does not trust the americans with the black box. trump would have a field day distorting what is actually heard on the black box. i thought I had seen on twitter that they were going to be released to your govenment officials??

    i read that witnesses reported that the plane was in flames suggesting an engine fire or something. 

    again i have not been following this as closely as i should. Sorry for the loss of your countrymen and women.
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
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    edited January 2020
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    I haven’t read this entire thread because I’ve grown weary of Trump.  So I don’t know if anyone has mentioned the Ukrainian Commercial Airline flight that went down 4 min. after take off from Tehran today.  That flight contained nearly 70 Canadians who are no longer with us, approximately 30 of which are from Edmonton. 
    The Iranians are not going to release the black box to Boeing or the US so that tells you everything you need to know.
    Most of the Canadians were university students, physicians, professors, etc. Some of our youngest and brightest. 
    Trump’s impulsive nature (my own diplomacy) has now resulted in the death of completely innocent civilians.  All the divisiveness, name-calling, hatred toward the media, espousing of nonsensical  bitterness towards Obama, Clinton and any Democrat. 
    To Trump supporters, I want to ask you... what if one of your close friends or family was on that flight... what would you say then.  Trump is just not a leader and this mess demonstrates it. 

    i have not been following that aspect. are they speculating that iran shot the plane down?

    I know that the black boxes are not going to be released to boeing because Iran does not trust the americans with the black box. trump would have a field day distorting what is actually heard on the black box. i thought I had seen on twitter that they were going to be released to your govenment officials??

    i read that witnesses reported that the plane was in flames suggesting an engine fire or something. 

    again i have not been following this as closely as i should. Sorry for the loss of your countrymen and women.
    Its ok, there is a lot of events happening. 
    Of course they are going to say it isn’t linked,  but are you going to believe the Iranians OR Trump and the Republicans? 
    It’s pretty unlikely this is coincidental is all I am saying. 

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