Extinction Rebellion

cincybearcat · October 2019

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

I feel sad when I see people do extreme things like this.

Extreme situations call for extreme action.

Are you an adolescent or a teenager, Jason? I think not. If you were, and you believed your future was being ruined by selfish older adults (people like me), you might be more understanding.

Brian - when you were a teenager, didn't you think your future was being ruined by the adults?

cincybearcat · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Much hated here in Australia. Just have to read online comments.
Our government ministers are saying they should have their welfare payments stopped if they are protesting. Sounds like fascism.

If you are on welfare then your number 1 goal should be getting a job and supporting themselves.

You can still look for a job and find the time to protest.

If you are able bodied then your number 1 priority I getting off welfare. Welfare should only be used as an emergency and people who on welfare need to get off their ass and look for a job...I have no problem cutting them off welfare.

I understand the thought process here...but just because you are living off of tax payers $ doesn't mean they own you. If you are meeting all the requirements they should get the funds. You are right that their #1 priority is finding a job, but have you looked for a job? It's not something you can do for 24 hours straight for very long. Now - if they engage in anything illegal....different story.

Thoughts_Arrive · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

You just love making incendiary posts on here?
First you shit on me for my depression, now you shit on those on welfare.
Yet you send me PMs being all nice to me?

No body is shitting on you. All people have done is offered suggestion...you choose to ignore people’s help. Forgive me for expecting able body humans to support themsaelves.

So dude do not ask people for help or advice...because quite simply you tmrefuse to even attempt to help yourself.

by the way if you had any clue what I’ve been through since 2011...well let’s just say I’m still surviving and my life is better now than ever...1 big reason. I never gave up. And when people offered help I accepted and listened...all of which none you. And I notice you never responded PM. Why? Do you really want change? Then prove it to yourself.

Whatever.

What PM? I never received one.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2019

Michael Stipe releases first solo song Your Capricious Soul (and apparently has a full album ready to go) and proceeds are going towards Extinction Rebellion. You can buy the song only from his site, www.michaelstipe.com, and you can choose to pay as little as $0.77, or more. And you get:

-the song
-the video
-an animated flip book
-a print-ready poster
-lyric sheet
-stencil

pretty damn good for 77 cents.

brianlux · October 2019

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

I feel sad when I see people do extreme things like this.

Extreme situations call for extreme action.

Are you an adolescent or a teenager, Jason? I think not. If you were, and you believed your future was being ruined by selfish older adults (people like me), you might be more understanding.

Brian - when you were a teenager, didn't you think your future was being ruined by the adults?

Not by all adults, but, yes, I was very concerned that my parents G.I. generation might be responsible for a nuclear holocaust that would end my life at a young age.

And now there is a generation of younger folks who are concerned that my boomer generation may be responsible for ruining their future. I think they are more likely correct in their assumption than I was of mine when I was in my teens. I think global warning is more likely to create of disastrous future than nuclear war is.

Jason P · October 2019

I can't imagine being 9 years old and have my parents freaking me out into believing the world will end in 12 years (when did the official timer start?)

brianlux · October 2019

Making a statement like that is a bit like Bible thumpers prediction the year of the rapture. Best to ignore any statement from anyone presuming to know when something as big as human extinction will occur. No one can say with any certainty at all. I don't know of any such "12 year from now" statement. Sounds like b.s. to me.

facepollution · October 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3kJwQBZOkM 

brianlux · October 2019

facepollution said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3kJwQBZOkM 

Interesting exchange and I would agree that both of them make good points. We are faceing some serious environmental challenges, but no one knows how bad things will (or won't) get, or when.

But the point the XR's are trying to make is that the possibility of a lot of death and suffering is very real. I just finished reading Timothy Egan's excellent book, The Worst Hard Time in which he describes the events leading up to the horrific dust bowl in the high plains during the 1930's. In the early 30's, record breaking wheat crops where harvested in that area. A few short years later, the land was destroyed and many people suffered and died. Now it is true we have learned some things from this event, but great damage is being wrecked upon places like the Amazon rain forests and although the consequences of this or the result of surpassing the 400 mark of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere may be longer than a few short years, it may also be quite possible that these factors among others will cascade into widespread conditions with terrible consequences. This is not meant to be a statement of doom, but to ignore these factors and assume everything will be "OK" I think is very foolish. But hey, we are a very foolish species. Best of luck to us.

pjl44 · October 2019

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

brianlux · October 2019

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

pjl44 · October 2019

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

Feel free to appreciate the romanticism, but if you feel like people still aren't listening in 5 years give persuasiveness a shot

brianlux · October 2019

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

Feel free to appreciate the romanticism, but if you feel like people still aren't listening in 5 years give persuasiveness a shot

Nice passive aggressive post there, pjl. Sorry to inform you, however, no feathers ruffled.

If you don't care to fully read what I have to say and respond accordingly, feel free to ignore my words. Thanks.

pjl44 · October 2019

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

Feel free to appreciate the romanticism, but if you feel like people still aren't listening in 5 years give persuasiveness a shot

Nice passive aggressive post there, pjl. Sorry to inform you, however, no feathers ruffled.

If you don't care to fully read what I have to say and respond accordingly, feel free to ignore my words. Thanks.

I read it but there isn't anything to respond to. I would just double back to my original point that awareness isn't the problem.

brianlux · October 2019

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

Feel free to appreciate the romanticism, but if you feel like people still aren't listening in 5 years give persuasiveness a shot

Nice passive aggressive post there, pjl. Sorry to inform you, however, no feathers ruffled.

If you don't care to fully read what I have to say and respond accordingly, feel free to ignore my words. Thanks.

I read it but there isn't anything to respond to. I would just double back to my original point that awareness isn't the problem.

And yet you did with what appears to be a snarky response. What's the point?

pjl44 · October 2019

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

Feel free to appreciate the romanticism, but if you feel like people still aren't listening in 5 years give persuasiveness a shot

Nice passive aggressive post there, pjl. Sorry to inform you, however, no feathers ruffled.

If you don't care to fully read what I have to say and respond accordingly, feel free to ignore my words. Thanks.

I read it but there isn't anything to respond to. I would just double back to my original point that awareness isn't the problem.

And yet you did with what appears to be a snarky response. What's the point?

Forget it

brianlux · October 2019

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

I believe in climate change, but haven't heard a solution that seems remotely workable. It seems to me our global society has industrialized to the point where the horse is out of the barn. At least until a new, cleaner energy source is discovered.

I don't think it's an awareness problem and I think blocking roadways and forming drum circles does more harm than good. I think a lot of people on the sidelines are looking for more reasonable solutions than hysteria.

I think these kinds of groups are great... maybe for a long while, maybe for a few brief moments. Some last a good while. Some break down, become infiltrated, lose their way, forget why they came in the first part. We'll see what happens to XR.

I'm also for the rat terriers and lifers of all kinds who dig in their heals in and keep tearing at the problems created by human activity that damages and destroys. These are the one who refuse to give in or give up. They are instruments of change.

There are land a sea warriors who fight ceaselessly for the rights of all life. Many are unsung heroes.

There are peacemakers, the flowers of humanity.

There are scribe warriors with weapons made of pencil and paper, writing words that inform, demand, lead to change, instigate thought, openly declare the truth.

Above all, the best of these are those who stand by their convictions and carry out all their actions under the rule of thumb that states "do no harm". So far, XR has held to the notion that non-violent civil disobedience can create awareness and promote change. A long as they are there, I'm cool with that.

I don't lend any credence (beyond my own brief moments of feeling hopelessness) to those who stubbornly hold on to the notions of futility and utter hopelessness. XR may succumb to this kind of thinking. That, and harming others, is where I'll draw the line. But, not before then.

Feel free to appreciate the romanticism, but if you feel like people still aren't listening in 5 years give persuasiveness a shot

Nice passive aggressive post there, pjl. Sorry to inform you, however, no feathers ruffled.

If you don't care to fully read what I have to say and respond accordingly, feel free to ignore my words. Thanks.

I read it but there isn't anything to respond to. I would just double back to my original point that awareness isn't the problem.

And yet you did with what appears to be a snarky response. What's the point?

Forget it

Done.

hedonist · October 2019

Well this was a fun read.

brianlux · October 2019

Spags · October 2019

The police have today made peaceful protest across London illegal and by the sounds of all the sirens are clearing out all the protesters.

Extinction Rebellion

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