Dave Chappelle, Sticks & Stones

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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited September 2019
    Finally got a chance to watch this.  Pretty funny. I don’t get what all the controversy is about. If you’re transgendered and were offended, that’s understandable. If you’re not transgendered but just want to be offended on behalf of them, you need to get a life. The outrage culture is ridiculous. 
    I have never met anyone who wants to be offended on behalf of anyone. You're either offended by something, or you're not. 

    It has to do with a little thing that exceedingly fewer members of the human race possess called "empathy."

    I'm not an African American, but if I'm within earshot of some racist using the N word, then, yes, I'm offended. Beyond offended, really.
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  • dankind said:
    Finally got a chance to watch this.  Pretty funny. I don’t get what all the controversy is about. If you’re transgendered and were offended, that’s understandable. If you’re not transgendered but just want to be offended on behalf of them, you need to get a life. The outrage culture is ridiculous. 
    I have never met anyone who wants to be offended on behalf of anyone. You're either offended by something, or you're not. 

    It has to do with a little thing that exceedingly fewer members of the human race possess called "empathy."

    I'm not an African American, but if I'm within earshot of some racist using the N word, then, yes, I'm offended. Beyond offended, really.
    I think there's a lot of people that want to be offended by something. No one I've met. But man, on Twitter and whatnot, people love to have a reason to gang-up on someone. In this case, many have ganged up on Chappelle for this special. 

    As for empathy, you can be empathic towards the struggles that trans people face, while not caring at all that some comedian has made jokes about them. 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    dankind said:
    Finally got a chance to watch this.  Pretty funny. I don’t get what all the controversy is about. If you’re transgendered and were offended, that’s understandable. If you’re not transgendered but just want to be offended on behalf of them, you need to get a life. The outrage culture is ridiculous. 
    I have never met anyone who wants to be offended on behalf of anyone. You're either offended by something, or you're not. 

    It has to do with a little thing that exceedingly fewer members of the human race possess called "empathy."

    I'm not an African American, but if I'm within earshot of some racist using the N word, then, yes, I'm offended. Beyond offended, really.
    I think there's a lot of people that want to be offended by something. No one I've met. But man, on Twitter and whatnot, people love to have a reason to gang-up on someone. In this case, many have ganged up on Chappelle for this special. 

    As for empathy, you can be empathic towards the struggles that trans people face, while not caring at all that some comedian has made jokes about them. 
    Depends on the nature of the joke. I haven't watched the special yet, but if the nature of the jokes are mean spirited and cause pain to members of a community, then, to me, that's simply not a good joke. It's going for an easy laugh from the lowest common denominator of your audience.

    Someone earlier mentioned Andrew "Dice" Clay, and while I did find much of his act funny back in the day, his jokes about playing ball with Akhnad (just making fun of Arabic names), Middle Eastern cab drivers' stench, blindfolding Asians with dental floss, and there being no such things as bisexuals ("you either suck dick, or you do not suck dick") were mean spirited and never worked for me.

    The "I'm over here now" bit, however, remains a high point of comedic genius to me.
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  • dankind said:
    dankind said:
    Finally got a chance to watch this.  Pretty funny. I don’t get what all the controversy is about. If you’re transgendered and were offended, that’s understandable. If you’re not transgendered but just want to be offended on behalf of them, you need to get a life. The outrage culture is ridiculous. 
    I have never met anyone who wants to be offended on behalf of anyone. You're either offended by something, or you're not. 

    It has to do with a little thing that exceedingly fewer members of the human race possess called "empathy."

    I'm not an African American, but if I'm within earshot of some racist using the N word, then, yes, I'm offended. Beyond offended, really.
    I think there's a lot of people that want to be offended by something. No one I've met. But man, on Twitter and whatnot, people love to have a reason to gang-up on someone. In this case, many have ganged up on Chappelle for this special. 

    As for empathy, you can be empathic towards the struggles that trans people face, while not caring at all that some comedian has made jokes about them. 
    Depends on the nature of the joke. I haven't watched the special yet, but if the nature of the jokes are mean spirited and cause pain to members of a community, then, to me, that's simply not a good joke. It's going for an easy laugh from the lowest common denominator of your audience.

    Someone earlier mentioned Andrew "Dice" Clay, and while I did find much of his act funny back in the day, his jokes about playing ball with Akhnad (just making fun of Arabic names), Middle Eastern cab drivers' stench, blindfolding Asians with dental floss, and there being no such things as bisexuals ("you either suck dick, or you do not suck dick") were mean spirited and never worked for me.

    The "I'm over here now" bit, however, remains a high point of comedic genius to me.
    I guess just watch the special and see what ya think. I personally didn't find it very mean-spirited. But some have, and you may. And that's fine if you do. And it's also fine if you think Chappelle's a hack and not funny. But there have been reviews out there basically instructing people not to watch it. That I don't like. Reviews like these.....

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59ngpb/you-can-definitely-skip-dave-chappelles-new-netflix-special-sticks-and-stones

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahaswell/2019/08/31/dave-chappelle-comedy-special-watch-tiffany-haddish-they-ready/#4486cffd7c79
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    I watched Bill Burr's new special on netflix last night. He goes after outrage culture as well, but it came off much better than Chapelle. Comparing the two, Chapelle seems to attack just for the sake of attacking while Burr's jokes were...witty, for lack of a better word. At times it definitely seemed Chapelle was just lashing out for having been criticised in the past. I enjoyed Chapelle's show but Burr definitely pulled it off better.
  • eddiec said:
    I watched Bill Burr's new special on netflix last night. He goes after outrage culture as well, but it came off much better than Chapelle. Comparing the two, Chapelle seems to attack just for the sake of attacking while Burr's jokes were...witty, for lack of a better word. At times it definitely seemed Chapelle was just lashing out for having been criticised in the past. I enjoyed Chapelle's show but Burr definitely pulled it off better.
    Chappelle attacked people?  Not what I got from that special at all, not by any means.