The Amazon Rain Forest is on fire... and no one is talking about it.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    so let's ignore it because of what was done in the past. excellent idea. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    Exactly, HFD.  Like my Pop used to say, "Two rights don't make a wrong." 

    I'm also told three lefts make a right.

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Who said ignore it?  Talk about reading to much into a statement.  Not surprised.

    Canada has no right to put their nose in other countries business until we right our ship...remember Mr. enviro PM...the man who is spending 15 billion on a pipeline to export oil that only a few countries will buy, and one of them being China...and they are a Chinese hissy fit away from them not buying the oil...

    You think this guy from Brazil does not know the environmental record of the US and Canada...

    So why would Brazil listen to us?  

    Maybe it's time for a country that has a good environmental record to lead the way...because Canada and the US will never be leaders on this issue...NEVER.




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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    so positive and full of solutions. 

    not surprised.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    my ignore list is getting longer every week. LOL
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    Who said ignore it?  Talk about reading to much into a statement.  Not surprised.

    Canada has no right to put their nose in other countries business until we right our ship...remember Mr. enviro PM...the man who is spending 15 billion on a pipeline to export oil that only a few countries will buy, and one of them being China...and they are a Chinese hissy fit away from them not buying the oil...

    You think this guy from Brazil does not know the environmental record of the US and Canada...

    So why would Brazil listen to us?  

    Maybe it's time for a country that has a good environmental record to lead the way...because Canada and the US will never be leaders on this issue...NEVER.




    I think everybody has a right to put their nose into a situation that has global effects.  If your neighbors were burning massive piles of auto tires making your air unbreathable, would you not have a right to say or do something?
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  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    It is completely true that these countries (the US and Canada) don’t have good track records when it comes to the environment. The US is going backwards in this regard too because of the current administration. That being said, just because you have made mistakes in the past doesn’t mean you can’t learn from them and correct it in the future. Or in this case the immediate present. The looney bin in Brazil is causing a global catastrophe and if the rest of the developed world doesn’t step in and right this wrong then we are all fucked. 

    Roughly 20% of the oxygen and 25% of the carbon is produced and captured by the Amazon. This is a huge number and with climate change starting to kick into high gear. This destruction of the rainforest will have a humongous snowball effect on current. And future climate change. This is sadly just one aspect of these fires. 

    Lets not forget the plant and animal life and tribal communities that are displaced or outright extinguished by this. This is bigger than any country or any tweet or agenda by any president. This is a world problem that our “elected” officials need to quit being polite and send the resources and means necessary to extinguish these fires. And if needed (which I believe it is) oust the Brazilian president and hold him and those responsible for crimes against humanity. We can not be silent or indifferent anymore. This is a world problem that requires a world solution. 
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I have no idea how big of a problem this is or will be, but at what point would people be willing to send in troops? This is actually a scenario where if Brazil’s government doesn’t get their shit together then drastic measures seem necessary. Sorry to get all doomsdayish , but we can’t just let the rainforest burn down. IDK. I wonder how bad this will get, kind of reminds me of when that pipeline burst in the Gulf and everybody is just watching it happen , but can’t do anything about it.

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    edited August 2019
    It is a tough call for sure.    99% of species have gone extinct on this planet and it will be humanity's turn at some point because unless some of the things that cause climate charge are made illegal nothing will happen.   I think anything we do is a part of nature.  Just like the Asian carp is an invasive species in the Great Lakes, they are just doing what is in their nature.  Humans being stupid are no different.  An invasive species. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    Hi! said:
    I have no idea how big of a problem this is or will be, but at what point would people be willing to send in troops? This is actually a scenario where if Brazil’s government doesn’t get their shit together then drastic measures seem necessary. Sorry to get all doomsdayish , but we can’t just let the rainforest burn down. IDK. I wonder how bad this will get, kind of reminds me of when that pipeline burst in the Gulf and everybody is just watching it happen , but can’t do anything about it.
    What do do is a tough question, Hi.  I'd say to start with, at the very least, we could all refuse to eat beef imported from South America.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    I have no idea how big of a problem this is or will be, but at what point would people be willing to send in troops? This is actually a scenario where if Brazil’s government doesn’t get their shit together then drastic measures seem necessary. Sorry to get all doomsdayish , but we can’t just let the rainforest burn down. IDK. I wonder how bad this will get, kind of reminds me of when that pipeline burst in the Gulf and everybody is just watching it happen , but can’t do anything about it.
    What do do is a tough question, Hi.  I'd say to start with, at the very least, we could all refuse to eat beef imported from South America.
    That would be a good start
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    Was the election in Brazil legitimate? How could the people in Brazil elect such a person? Is there a crazy person revolution and uprising like what happened in America in 2016? I’m just trying to understand how this is going on. Well I understand the real answer. Money. Of course. But what’s the other answer. 

    Side note. Local news says a California super tanker has landed in Brazil. Will they be allowed to help. I sure hope so because I don’t know any other options right now. 
    Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,307
    clear cutting for the wood, the land, mineral exploitation etc  has been going on for a long time now..... the fires may seem like a more immediate threat but that damage/loss was already occurring. That loss  would be a contributor to climate change, yet THAT doesnt get it's  due.

    How much did clear cutting here in the US set the stage fro some of the weather events we see now. Loss of top soil from poor farming practices. The list goes on. What are we doing here to amend that or mitigate that? Not nearly enough. 

    This planet would be better with out humans. or at least "civilized" society......... fucking parasitic cancer.
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  • Hi!
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mickeyrat said:
    clear cutting for the wood, the land, mineral exploitation etc  has been going on for a long time now..... the fires may seem like a more immediate threat but that damage/loss was already occurring. That loss  would be a contributor to climate change, yet THAT doesnt get it's  due.

    How much did clear cutting here in the US set the stage fro some of the weather events we see now. Loss of top soil from poor farming practices. The list goes on. What are we doing here to amend that or mitigate that? Not nearly enough. 

    This planet would be better with out humans. or at least "civilized" society......... fucking parasitic cancer.

    The planets only hope is for humans to go extinct.  Even though the world knows what needs to be done...do not expect the world to really do much other than holding more climate change conference...set benchmarks that will never be met...just like the Paris agreement.


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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    Those types of comments make me laugh and mad at the same time. Humans go extinct ... and wishing for it? That’s some serious red flag right there. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Who is wishing for it?  People are just stating the obvious.  The fact remains that humans shit all over where they live, all the time.  Do wildlife and nature deserve this?  The world knows what needs to be done...but really fail to act...lazy people do not want to be inconvenienced and people are lazy.

    And then when your POTUS says that Henry Ford would not be happy with cars that have decreased emissions...LMFAO.  I believe if Henry Ford was alive and running Ford they would lead the way in alternative fuels for vehicles...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Those types of comments make me laugh and mad at the same time. Humans go extinct ... and wishing for it? That’s some serious red flag right there. 
    What makes your survival more important than a Grizzly Bear?  Human arrogance, I would say.

    I'd rather watch a Grizzly bear than associate with most people on earth...people are selfish assholes.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    Those types of comments make me laugh and mad at the same time. Humans go extinct ... and wishing for it? That’s some serious red flag right there. 
    What makes your survival more important than a Grizzly Bear?  Human arrogance, I would say.

    I'd rather watch a Grizzly bear than associate with most people on earth...people are selfish assholes.
    I’m sure the grizzly bear would be more interested in it’s survival than a humans. You are just being silly.  
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    Those types of comments make me laugh and mad at the same time. Humans go extinct ... and wishing for it? That’s some serious red flag right there. 
    What makes your survival more important than a Grizzly Bear?  Human arrogance, I would say.

    I'd rather watch a Grizzly bear than associate with most people on earth...people are selfish assholes.
    It’s a good thing you are Canadian and can’t access guns with your attitude to the human race. 
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