Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Just listened to Bernie on Rogan on my drive. It was nice to hear a long-form interview where he actually has the time to explain things like how he intends to eliminate all student loan debt and how he would tackle healthcare. The guy does seem like a man of the people, and that’s why I happily voted for him over Clinton in the 2016 primary, but unfortunately I think that 2016 was his best chance. But we’ll see. 

The whole "But how will they pay for it!" rhetoric and talking points - popping up in this thread from time to time - is pretty crazy, especially with Elisabeth Warren only having one catch phrase and that is "I have a plan for that".

Believe it is the right thing to do or not. Believe it can be voted through or not. But obviously they have some idea on how it would work in practice. 

Even if they don't have the time to break it down in a CNN debate.

I actually like @Gern Blansten's idea for the candidates to go on YouTube and make videos giving detailed explanations of their stances because the debates are such a joke. He suggested they go on after the debates, but really it could be anytime. And it could be the candidate just talking to the camera, or being asked questions by some hand-picked interviewer.

These debates (if you can call them that) have been so god-awful. Nobody gets enough time, everything gets spun and dissected on social media (with more emphasis on who "owned" who than who had the best policy proposals), there's "gotcha" questions, attacks on each other, etc. At least with a long-form interview like Bernie's and Rogan's, what Bernie said is what he said. There's nothing to read into. No body language to judge. Just questions and answers (with explanations). I'd like more of that. 

 

I'm surprised a few of them haven't held roundtable forums together and posted them on you tube. And let any of the networks show clips from it. 

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Elizabeth Warren: Medicare For All Is Cheaper Than Our Current System 

https://youtu.be/RlHik6YAPns

How much will my taxes go up?  Where is the money coming from to pay for this?

https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1159115800848080896

So....you support Trump getting reelected.

I do not support banana republic US in any way.

Except for Metroid Prime 3 being developed by Retro Studios, based in Austin.

You support the US every single time you watch a You Tube video, buy a record from a US band, listen to spotify, read the Post, etc.  Thanks for all of your contributions to our GDP.  Unfortunately, we have no way of returning the favor.  

You changed a normal reply to that.  You're nothing if consistent

A GIF image says more than a thousand written "Okey:s"

Everyone makes mistakes when speaking. But Biden is the fucking gold medal winner.

He is such a creepy dude that appears to be aging 5 years every time he speaks. I sure hope the dem primaries get this right....it’s gotta be the most important primary in my lifetime.

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

Everyone makes mistakes when speaking. But Biden is the fucking gold medal winner.

He is such a creepy dude that appears to be aging 5 years every time he speaks. I sure hope the dem primaries get this right....it’s gotta be the most important primary in my lifetime.

I get the sense that part of his issue is he cares about helping people and not wanting to over promise.

Its much easier to speak publicly when you dont give a flying phuck about your accuracy.

It's why Donny does so well, and why the debate attacks on Biden look so good on live TV 

“You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor”

Really Booker?

 This is how we pick presidents now.

I understand what you are saying but I don’t think this is true with Biden. He struggles and it’s getting worse. Time has caught up to this career politician. I hope he’s not the nominee...but the Dems could do worse. If he wins the nomination he sure as shit better get his act together and win the general election.

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

Everyone makes mistakes when speaking. But Biden is the fucking gold medal winner.

He is such a creepy dude that appears to be aging 5 years every time he speaks. I sure hope the dem primaries get this right....it’s gotta be the most important primary in my lifetime.

I get the sense that part of his issue is he cares about helping people and not wanting to over promise.

Its much easier to speak publicly when you dont give a flying phuck about your accuracy.

It's why Donny does so well, and why the debate attacks on Biden look so good on live TV 

“You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor”

Really Booker?

 This is how we pick presidents now.

I understand what you are saying but I don’t think this is true with Biden. He struggles and it’s getting worse. Time has caught up to this career politician. I hope he’s not the nominee...but the Dems could do worse. If he wins the nomination he sure as shit better get his act together and win the general election.

You're in a box on this one, me thinks.  You've been against Joe since the start, but you also want a moderate.  The reality is that it will be Bernie, Biden or Warren.  The others don't have a chance, in my estimation.  

Yup. You are correct. I dislike Joe because he is a creep. But I’d still vote for him over the bigger creep. You are right though, I am not likely to be happy with the primary or the election. But hopefully not as bad as it can get. 

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

Everyone makes mistakes when speaking. But Biden is the fucking gold medal winner.

He is such a creepy dude that appears to be aging 5 years every time he speaks. I sure hope the dem primaries get this right....it’s gotta be the most important primary in my lifetime.

I get the sense that part of his issue is he cares about helping people and not wanting to over promise.

Its much easier to speak publicly when you dont give a flying phuck about your accuracy.

It's why Donny does so well, and why the debate attacks on Biden look so good on live TV 

“You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor”

Really Booker?

 This is how we pick presidents now.

I understand what you are saying but I don’t think this is true with Biden. He struggles and it’s getting worse. Time has caught up to this career politician. I hope he’s not the nominee...but the Dems could do worse. If he wins the nomination he sure as shit better get his act together and win the general election.

You're in a box on this one, me thinks.  You've been against Joe since the start, but you also want a moderate.  The reality is that it will be Bernie, Biden or Warren.  The others don't have a chance, in my estimation.  

I'd say maybe Harris has more than a tiny chance (Edit: that means I rank her 4th and the only other person not 99% out).  But I think any dreams of voting for Klobuchar, Yang, etc..  Any dreams of voting for Pete are on their last legs, as well.

Of Bernie, Biden, Warren and Harris, Biden's the one I most think can be Trump.  I don't really relish voting for a guy has been in national politics since before I was born, but when the president is dragging along the crazy right (which is a third of the country) countering that with what's going to be interpreted as "the other extreme" is a pretty poor strategy.  A middle-of-the-roader covers a larger part of the country.  The question is can that person bring people to the polls?  Biden, looking older and more frail than Trump? I don't know whether he can.  

I think it would be fun and kinda funny watching Biden/Bernie campaigning together. They could do like a two old guys coming together to save America schtik together, lol. No?